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Hi guys,

Can someone point me in the right direction for what is the best book or video for training my 5 month old lab for hunting. Primarily she will be retrieving ducks, but I would also like her to flush grouse etc. I have her retrieving scented canvas dummies ok, but I would really like information on how to communicate with her to help her with direction when searching. Does anyone train/hunt without an e-collar? From what I have read, it seems that an e-collar is a prerequisite now a days.


Thanks
SS
 
I have Gun Dog by Wolters. Predessor to Game Dog, It is old school but some say it is still the bible of dog training. There are supposed to be some new and better books out there, I will ask around, I as well am curious, I have an 8 week old lab.
Join Delta Waterfowl, their Magazine has a dog training article in almost every issue, very informative and your money goes to produce more ducks and protect hunting and shooting privileges in Canada.
www.deltawaterfowl.org
 
I have Game Dog, 2nd edition on DVD.

PM me and I'll loan it to ya. I won't be getting a pup for a while anyways.
 
My uncle had a Canadian field trial champion out of "Blythe's " kennels in the 70's,and he refered me to a book called "Training your retriever" by James Lamb Free.He claimed it too was the "bible" for retrievers.
It too,is old school,and Free doesnt believe in the "forced retrieve" (ear pinching)stuff that everyone is into nowadays.In fact he says in the book that:"If you must force a dog to do something that he was bred to do naturally,then the dog isnt worth wasting the time on."(or something along those lines)
I got my copy used, on amazon.com
Just a suggestion.
 
bill c68 said:
I have Gun Dog by Wolters. Predessor to Game Dog, It is old school but some say it is still the bible of dog training. There are supposed to be some new and better books out there, I will ask around, I as well am curious, I have an 8 week old lab.
Join Delta Waterfowl, their Magazine has a dog training article in almost every issue, very informative and your money goes to produce more ducks and protect hunting and shooting privileges in Canada.
www.deltawaterfowl.org

Thanks for the help so far,
Billc68, I have read some of their articles in the past and have been impressed. So I took your advice, besides right now they're giving away a nice Buck Gardner duck call if you join online. It was a toss up between joining Delta Water Fowl or Ducks Unlimited. Maybe tomorrow I will join DU. Man it feels good to be off Duck Welfare.:)

Thanks again for the suggestions.

SS
 
Anything by Richard Wolters, Bill Tarrant or Jerome B Robinson will get you going in the right direction. You don't need an e-collar to get results, just lots of time, patience and fetches. These guys have never seen an e-collar and they turned out pretty good!!
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savageshooter565 said:
Thanks for the help so far,
Billc68, I have read some of their articles in the past and have been impressed. So I took your advice, besides right now they're giving away a nice Buck Gardner duck call if you join online. It was a toss up between joining Delta Water Fowl or Ducks Unlimited. Maybe tomorrow I will join DU. Man it feels good to be off Duck Welfare.:)

Thanks again for the suggestions.

SS

I have yet to Join DU... mainuy because no one has ever offered me a dinner ticket which I find odd as we have 4 or 5 chapters on little ol PEI. I do have a few issues with DU so I am not sure if I ever will join but I may.

We had a few hunting issues come up on PEI and when we looked for some support Delta was there with a e few letters etc DU refused.
 
Aside from all the great training books out there, try joining any of your local reteiver/hunting dog clubs in your area. I was in the Manitoba Pointing Dog Assoc. for 10 years. With all the local experts, going to events, the comradery, hands on experience, they are a great place to learn dog handling on top of reading training books. I found that most folks in these clubs are more than willing to give you some tips. Good luck with the training.

DF:D
 
DragonFire said:
Aside from all the great training books out there, try joining any of your local reteiver/hunting dog clubs in your area. I was in the Manitoba Pointing Dog Assoc. for 10 years. With all the local experts, going to events, the comradery, hands on experience, they are a great place to learn dog handling on top of reading training books. I found that most folks in these clubs are more than willing to give you some tips. Good luck with the training.

DF:D
Very true... although I joined one a few years ago and never heard from anyone until they needed volunteers. I will be joining a new group this year, one where I already have aquaintaces in the club, this should help.
 
I have Wolters Game Dog, Water Dog, Family Dog and Gun Dog. All are good but old school as noted.

I've used his methods for a Golden retriever for ducks and a Brittany for grouse/pheasant. Works well for me and for years I did trial and error on Setters with mixed results.

Clubs haven't worked out well for me. I belonged to Michigan Duck Hunters Association and helped out with projects til the local chapter went inactive.
I did alot of work for the local Pheasant Forever chafter and served on the board several years working on projects and the banquets. When I bought property and wanted help planting seed they all but forgot who I was.

I've sent my dues to DU for years but never got active with them though.

BTW, I'm new to the board and am a Canadian born Yank living in mid Michigan. I've always had bird dogs and love to work and hunt with them.
Glad to see some bird/dog guys here.
 
Thanks all for the help. I have ordered Gun Dog by Wolters. Welcome and thank you Brian.

By the way have you guys checked out http://www.abebooks.com/ what a great site. Every book under the sun for dirt cheap.



What command to you guys use for left and right or do you use "left" "right" :rolleyes: or just hand/arm movements?

Thanks again.

SS
 
savageshooter565 said:
Thanks all for the help. I have ordered Gun Dog by Wolters. Welcome and thank you Brian.

By the way have you guys checked out http://www.abebooks.com/ what a great site. Every book under the sun for dirt cheap.



What command to you guys use for left and right or do you use "left" "right" :rolleyes: or just hand/arm movements?

Thanks again.

SS

Thanks Savageshooter,
I used hand signals for my Golden, (arm really). I duck hunted on Lake Huron and with the wind blowing he'd not have heard me. After a bit of training your dog will be looking back constantly for your command. The whistle is good but if the wind is wrong he'll never hear it.
I've taken this over to my Brit's training and he knows sit, come and over hand signals now. At three years he's just now settling down. He's the first dog I've needed a shock collar for but now the wearing of it is all that is needed without having to enforce commands.

One thing Wolters and others expect is you'll have a helper for dummy tossing. I've never had much help and found the dummy launchers to be a great help. The sound of the report and ability to get them out alot farther than you can throw helps.

Making training a fun time and ending with success before the dog is bored has been key to me in training.
When I lived in a sub with a fenced in yard I invented a good training game for a retriever. I'd put Alex, (what a name for a Golden), on a sit and stay and walk to the hiding spots available and pretend to hid the dummy keeping it hidden from him. I'd stash it behind one and come back to him and release him. I'd let him search for it and sometimes give him a whistle blast to get him to sit and direct him by hand signal where it was. Since my scent was everywhere he had to go by visual to find it like finding a duck.
Sometimes I'd leave him indoors for the hiding and put a couple out there even hanging one a couple feet up in a tree. He loved the game and did well duck hunting.

We both retired from duck hunting a few years back when our hunting partner moved south. We did buy his house and ten acres and the dogs and I have enjoyed working the resident pheasants here.

Alex went and got old on me and we had to put him down last summer. He now rests under his favorite crab apple tree,( the old house was on Crabtree Lane no less), with his favored throwing dummy and a pair of my old socks he'd love to drag out of the hamper and bring to me.

My wife, Brittany (Ruger) and I miss him dearly these days. As we got a few inches of fresh snow last night I'll be taking Ruger out to stretch his legs in a little while. Every trip out back is more training for us both and help us learn to work as a team. Hopefully this little guy will get to the point where Alex would do what I was just thinking about or almost it seemed.:)

As you can see I get long winded most especially talking dogs.
 
Well, turns out I have a copy of Game Dog in my little library, I almost ordered a copy from Amazon. Anyway, started reading it again.

Here is my Lab at 8 1/2 weeks old, I have had her for 3 weeks now. Shot a few pigeons/starlings last Saturday and she loves them 10X as much as she likes her retrieving dummies.

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