Gun for Black Badge course?

rifleman338 said:
CZ Shadow is a production div pistol, not standard. Out of the holster the first shot must be double action.
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You could also declare Standard and shoot cocked and locked minor or even declare (or get bumped to) Open. You don't "have" to shoot production.
 
Just to clarify it's quite possible that i won't ever actually compete in IPSC. Other summer sports have me committed for the majority of the weekends from mid May through to early Oct. I'm taking the course primarily more to build my safe handling skills and to get holster qualified for the casual steel challenge shoots our club runs from time to time. If there was a one day holster safety and safe handling type course available I probably take something like that instead. While I've paid my fees for the course I'm still not 100% sure i am going to go ahead and spend that much time during a busy time of year. It seems like a fairly big chunk of the course is learning the IPSC rules. However, If I do go ahead and take the course I want to do my best and have the best chance of passing.

I know I've been more accurate in shooting steel (plate rack, texas star etc) with the Trojan than the Shadow in the past if that counts for anything. As for shooting the CZ "cocked and locked" I've found the safety to be too small and too far forward to flick off with my thumb. ...Beginning to look like I'll go with the Trojan.

I have a bunch of Chip McCormick 10 rd 1911 mags. Would they be allowed for the course?
 
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rifleman338 said:
Very true, just didn't want to overwhelm the OP with more info.
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It's just one of my pet peeves. It usually leads to a lot of misconceptions on the internets because people "were told it's only allowed to be this way"
On the BB course there are no divisions, I guess everyone is technically "Open division" the divisions are explained but during the range portion it's irrelevant. I'll only point out if someone's gear is outside the rules for most divisions.
 
PapaHotel01 said:
Hits AND time are scored, or more correctly you have to meet the time standards on the drills if you want to pass. But this is correct, if you are going to shoot the CZ you had better put lots of time in with the DA pull over the next couple of weeks until you are very familiar with it. At least 50% of the shots on the first day of the course will be fired double action.
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Are there published "standards" for the black badge course?
 
Fwiw my general recommendations that I would tell anyone looking to take the BB course:
1. Use a pistol, 9mm and up, that you are familiar with and comfortable shooting. It needs to be reliable and l reasonably accurate.
2. Do not go out and buy a pistol for the course, if you don't have one that meets #1 then you are not ready for the course.
3. Make sure you have enough rounds through it that you can attest to #1 100%, if you can't you are not ready for the course
4. We can teach the speed and safety aspects associated with the sport but if you do not have sufficient fundamentals of accuracy or basic safety you are not ready for the course. Memorize the 4 safety commandments and work on your accuracy, if you can put 10/10 on an 8 1/2x11" sheet of paper at 20m you are ready for the course, if not, keep working on it.
5. If you intend to, or were talked into using a DA auto for the course, make sure you can operate the DA trigger and achieve the same level of accuracy listed above. If not, go work on it or use it Single action with the safety applied or a different pistol (making sure you know it meets #1 and #3 listed above)
6. Do not use a Serpa style holster, ever.
7. Buy your gear from a reputable dealer that knows IPSC equipment rules. You don't have to spend a fortune on it, but make sure it meets our rules and will operate properly for the type of shooting we do, hint: Uncle Mikes nylon won't cut it.
8. Do not take Internet forum advice on what guns and gear to buy, most of it is wrong and it's too hard to sort the good from the bad. Go to the club you are taking the course at and see what people are using at matches.
9. Use a gun that YOU like. It doesn't matter what division you start in as long as you enjoy shooting it at matches, you do NOT have to start in Production.
10. DO NOT START WITH AN OPEN GUN, especially for the BB course.
 
dacron said:
Are there published "standards" for the black badge course?
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These are current for Ontario.
Accuracy is 50% A's or all C's or better for every exercise.
1. Load and unload.
2. Draw, 1 shot, 6 times@10m.
3. Draw, 1 shot, 6 times@15m.
4. Draw, 1 shot, 6 times@7m, 2 seconds.
5. Draw, 2 shots, 6 times@7m, 2.5 seconds.
6. Draw, 1 shot, 6 times@15m, 3 seconds.
7. Draw, 2 shots, 6 times@15m, 4 seconds.
8. Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 3 times@7m, 5 seconds.
9. Draw, 2 shots, transition, 2shots, 3 times@10m, 4 seconds, 2 targets.
10. Strong hand, draw, 2 shots, 3 times@10m, 3 seconds.
11. Weak hand, draw, transfer, 2 shots, 3 times @ 10m, 5 seconds.
12. Turn, draw, 2+2+2, reload, 2+2+2, 3 targets@10m, 12 sec.
13. Draw, 2 shots, move forward while reloading, 2 shots, 12m to 7m.
14. Draw, 2 shots, move left while reloading, 2 shots, 7m.
15. Draw, 2 shots, move back while reloading, 2 shots, 7m to 12m.
16. Draw, 2 shots, move right while reloading, 2 shots, 12m.
17. Kneeling, 2 shots@15m, 3 times.
18. Prone, 2 shots@15m, 3 times.
19. Table pick up, unloaded, freestyle, 1 target@7m, 10 seconds.
20. Barricade, 2 shots each side, 3 times@15m, 2 targets, 12 seconds.
 
sailor723 said:
Yes, I saw that requirement. Is a "sanctioned match" put on as part of the course or is it something extra you need to do within a certain time period after completing the course?
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It has to be an actual sanctioned match open to the membership, not a special put on for the students and you have one year to complete it or you won't get your BB
 
sailor723 said:
Just to clarify it's quite possible that i won't ever actually compete in IPSC. Other summer sports have me committed for the majority of the weekends from mid May through to early Oct. I'm taking the course primarily more to build my safe handling skills and to get holster qualified for the casual steel challenge shoots our club runs from time to time. If there was a one day holster safety and safe handling type course available I probably take something like that instead. While I've paid my fees for the course I'm still not 100% sure i am going to go ahead and spend that much time during a busy time of year. It seems like a fairly big chunk of the course is learning the IPSC rules. However, If I do go ahead and take the course I want to do my best and have the best chance of passing.

I know I've been more accurate in shooting steel (plate rack, texas star etc) with the Trojan than the Shadow in the past if that counts for anything. As for shooting the CZ "cocked and locked" I've found the safety to be too small and too far forward to flick off with my thumb. ...Beginning to look like I'll go with the Trojan.

I have a bunch of Chip McCormick 10 rd 1911 mags. Would they be allowed for the course?
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I'm not sure about the rules in your province, but the IPSC BC House Rules & Guidelines are:

3) COMPETITOR PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS:
a) Training Course students must complete one sanctioned qualifier match
successfully within one year of having taken the Black Badge Course. Doing
so will complete the Black badge course certification. Failure to complete the
Black Badge course within the one-year timeframe will require the course to
be retaken.
b) A member must participate in at least one Level II or higher match per year
otherwise they will be deemed as inactive. Note: The Member is responsible
for providing proof of out of section activity.​

It would be up to your match director and/or club's policy for holster use if they need you to just have taken the classes, or have completed the Black Badge program and keep current each year.

I do a fair bit of other handgun shooting sports (LEAP, PPC, Speed Steel, revolver matches, ... ) and and enjoy them all. I do find IPSC to be the most fun though :)
 
One piece of advice I got from one of my BB Instructors:

*know* where your gun shoots. If your gun is sighted in (not necessarily by you), the instructor(s) will be able to help you diagnose your misses.
 
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HI; At 65 years old I took the BB course. Gun was a Smith Wesson 1911 Doug Koenig in 45 acp. Ammo was 230 grain can pro loaded down to about 700 feet per second. For me I had spent years shooting single action revolvers with less than a 2 pound trigger. It felt easy to me to pull click off safety and hit the target . The guys who had issues had trouble getting the first shot hits. Make sure you can get your hits on target. Know your gun and how to use it fully.
As a lot of the shooting is first shot work on that. There has been some sound advise by seasoned people already, reread there post.
 
Shoot the CZ cocked and locked for the course. The decock thing sucks when you're shooting 2-shot sequences.

If anyone complains (yes, somebody will) just tell them you plan to compete in Standard division.
 
If someone complains about what you are shooting on the course (as long as you are doing it safely), maybe they are the one with the problem.
With the shadow, get some proper instruction on your options for techniques for lowering the hammer safely. Lowering the hammer is not a timed event, get it right.
 
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