Gun Store Dude,,,WTF?

simonsez said:
Can you tell us the name of the store ? Is it the one on boul Ste-rose?
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Nope, it's the big store on the 15 at 440. ;)

BTW,

Here in Quebec, am I at anytime supposed to have my gun trigger locked while in the woods, like after sundown or something. I think that may be only for migratory bird hunting or something.
 
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cause a 410 gauge slug has less then 4 inches of penitration...

a brears fur is how thick lol

410 that bear will shove that clear up your rear

HAS not one heard of www.theboxotruth.com

look on they're they did one on 410 pistols it's a great artical

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

should be on the main page.

they have articals that show just how effective the 12 guage is

which will penitrate bullet proof glass 45/70 or 308 winchester military ball
 
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bill c68 said:
I had a Boito 12" 410, and I have shot slugs through it and it DID blow up.



Ok.... the last satement was a lie, it worked absolutely fine and my plan was to actually use it as a bear hunting gun, thought it would be cool to shoot one at close range with it....Well...

I did a test and fired a 410 slug into a paperback book at 20 yds. I got about 100 pages penetration and the slug turned into lead flakes. Absolutely useless in my opinion. You would in fact be better off with a .22.
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Do you recall me giving you a "WTF!?" look when you suggested using .410 slugs on bears? I'm glad to hear you did a test and came to a sensible conclusion. A .410 slug weighs about 87 grains and is made of very soft lead. They are thin in cross section, and this combined with their fairly high speeds leads to fragmentation and lack of penetration. At the most they might be OK for lighter animals like a coyote or feral dog.

In a shotgun I prefer more projectile weight at lower velocity for more penetration on target. I've loaded a few round ball loads for the .410, with three .375 cast balls. I carry a few of these when out with a .410 "just in case". But if there is something with four feet that can fight back I'm not reaching for a .410 (or a .22) if I have a choice!
 
P.E. Islander said:
Do you recall me giving you a "WTF!?" look when you suggested using .410 slugs on bears? I'm glad to hear you did a test and came to a sensible conclusion. A .410 slug weighs about 87 grains and is made of very soft lead. They are thin in cross section, and this combined with their fairly high speeds leads to fragmentation and lack of penetration. At the most they might be OK for lighter animals like a coyote or feral dog.

In a shotgun I prefer more projectile weight at lower velocity for more penetration on target. I've loaded a few round ball loads for the .410, with three .375 cast balls. I carry a few of these when out with a .410 "just in case". But if there is something with four feet that can fight back I'm not reaching for a .410 (or a .22) if I have a choice!
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That's why I did the research and the test...

Haven't seen you on here in awhile, you should join me on a Yote hunt someday. I have been having a blast.
 
I've also been looking for a H&R Tamer but in 20ga, which is what you need as well ;) (if anyone knows who has one in stock please let me know). As been mantioned .410 slugs are very lights (weights less than a 9mm bullet!)
 
Tapedeck, your post is Feb. 21... I'm sure to see a bear this week you'll need to be in it's den and at that close range and tight quarters I think that 12" .410 might be just the ticket but wear ear plugs.
 
caribou said:
Tapedeck, your post is Feb. 21... I'm sure to see a bear this week you'll need to be in it's den and at that close range and tight quarters I think that 12" .410 might be just the ticket but wear ear plugs.
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Huh? Oh I get it, the bears are all asleep?
It was 0C on Saturday, plenty warm for a hungry bear to be up and looking for a free meal.


Back from my trip. Didn't expect to get so cold at night and had to keep the fire stoked all night. This was difficult as finding dry wood was time consuming. My Fiskars 14" hatchet got a good workout and performed well. My friend and I learned a lot and had a good time. I took some pics with a film camera and can post a couple of pics when they get processed. I brought along the TOZ 20ga. The only trace of wildlife was quite a few rabbit tracks, but never saw a bunny.

Keeping my eye out for a Tamer 20 for next time.
 
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My Bro-in-law has one of those boito backpackers, fun little gun.

But last summer we had it out shooting beer bottle against a big pile of sand. Not one of 20 shots came within 2ft of the bottle at about 15-20 feet away. the slugs where flying in all directions, except anywhere near what it was aimed at.

If your Boito bear gun is anything like his with slugs in it, I would hope you have the balls to hold until its just out of arms reach. Or hope to heck it doesn't like loud noises.
 
Covey Ridge said:
WTF Win/64, what is a fellow of your taste and knowledge of the finer smooth bores doing trolling this thread?:dancingbanana:
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Your stalking me aren't you :p. I was wondering what kind of groups you could get with a 12" .410 at 20 yds.... And also how many shots you could fire in 1-4 seconds, Before that Bear has you for lunch.
 
Win/64 said:
Your stalking me aren't you :p. QUOTE]

Sorry about using the :dancingbanana: I am not stalking you! I simply did a search for :sucks: and up pops a thread where you are involved :weird:

You should give your good friend manbearpig a call and have him join in and really make this a :weird:

12 inch .410s? bears? gun shop dudes? I like this icon:weird:
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I must first say that I have never been attacked by, nor shot at, a bear, whether it be the cute little black bears around my garbage bin here in Vancouver, or one of those really ill-tempered francobears, or a grizzly or polar bear.

That said, I once decided to fire a 3" magnum 12 Ga slug at a bank of wet clay to see how it penetrated. May I repeat myself: 12 Ga MAG, not a piddly little .410 firecracker...

Anyway, considering that the slug mushroomed to about an inch and three-quarters in diameter, before it penetrated APPROXIMATELY 1/2 INCH (Okay, maybe three-quarters), I was left with the distinct impression that to use one for defensive purposes against any sort of thick-skinned creature was rather parallel to the idea of using a dainty little police baton on loser boy whacked out on meth.

So, enough about me: My feeling is that if you want to drop Booboo, you would be an absolute fool to rely on any sort of soft material slug from a low velocity tool like a shotgun. I have always wondered why the shotgun is touted as the be all and end all of bear defence, when in my opinion, a rifle is much more appropriate.

Can someone here speak from actual experience of having shot bears with rifle vs. shotgun projectile?

Lead me, oh Gurus

Neal
 
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