Gun store handling

Point is, if you do not always respect your weapon, and treat it as if it is a lethal machine, you will eventually have an issue.

Same goes for tools, and cars.

I am not saying that you should fear your equipment. But ask any experienced carpenter... Once you get complacent with your tools, you get cut.
 
I have been lazed. Yeah plenty... That does not make it ok.

But a professional will keep muzzle control as a top priority. I have known many soldiers that do not respect their weapons. And I have known a number that have ND'd, including some that have fired rounds within inches of their buddies.

One of my co-workers had a fellow soldier shoot a round into their vehicle because he was so used to handling his pistol that he wasn't respectful of it anymore.

fog of war my brother in arms. Fog of war.
 
A firearm should not fire unless the trigger is pulled. Yet look behind the filing cabinets in most police stations... Or in the baffles or on the floor of a local range.

Careless firearm handling results in rounds impacting non-intended targets... Therefore always be responsible with how you handle your firearms.

If someone doesn't handle them responsibly in the store, they will not likely handle them responsibly on the range.

We have all seen people turn around with a loaded gun on the range. Or heard that single shot when the range is cold.
Firearms safety starts with each individual.
 
unloaded guns are just that: unloaded guns

If you treat them irresponsibly unloaded, that one time you slip up and "think" it is unloaded but pull the trigger... Bang.

I have seen it many times.

There is no excuse for careless firearm handling.
 
A firearm should not fire unless the trigger is pulled. Yet look behind the filing cabinets in most police stations... Or in the baffles or on the floor of a local range.

Careless firearm handling results in rounds impacting non-intended targets... Therefore always be responsible with how you handle your firearms.

If someone doesn't handle them responsibly in the store, they will not likely handle them responsibly on the range.

We have all seen people turn around with a loaded gun on the range. Or heard that single shot when the range is cold.
Firearms safety starts with each individual.

these are different things.
and accidents do happen no matter how careful one is. look at traffic.
statistically speaking, in any population 15% are really bad and 15% are overly righteous.
the problem is one can't tell who's who
 
these are different things.
and accidents do happen no matter how careful one is. look at traffic.
statistically speaking, in any population 15% are really bad and 15% are overly righteous.
the problem is one can't tell who's who

I am pretty sure the guy in the gun store that does not care enough to control his muzzle is more likely to have an issue that someone who is always cognizant of muzzle control.
 
Certainly don't fear guns... Just keep your head about you... Respect them and remain professional..

After all the unprofessional gun owners reflect negatively on the rest of us.
 
I walked into a local store one time to find myself being pointed at by a customer with a rifle.

Being a calm reticent guy I didn't say anything, but inside I wanted to go wrap that rifle around the guy's head.
 
As a kid my grandpa's old 1911 was my 'toy of choice'. I played the crap outta that thing (my mother later said he had removed the firing pin after the war). SO I had a pretty lackadaisical attitude towards firearms from early on. HOWEVER, as I got older we were -extremely- careful and respectful of a loaded firearm, but again fairly lax when I knew they were unloaded. I would say that the firearms course was a good eye opener for me. I had some really bad habits that I wasn't aware of. For example turning a 1911 sideways to release the slide on a round. Like WTF was I thinking now that I look back on it. I have to think when I put in a magazine to just pull back on the side and let it chamber a round. Better for the gun, better for the guy on the left of me. Looking down the barrel of a gun was the absolute last thing I ever would have done growing up, but now it seems pretty normal. So while I thought the instructors were a little overzealous in their training tips, I actually came away as a safer gun owner, so honestly I am 100% in favour of the course, and being aware of what others are doing wrong. Maybe not go up and start screaming at people, but calmly explain the error and/or leave the area. Life's too short to start a screaming match with a fellow with a loaded gun :)
 
Because an unloaded gun won't fire on it's own.
All-inclusive "lieberal safety rules" don't apply in the real world.
I've served in the military and believe me, being muzzled by a loaded full-auto gun is nothing out of the ordinary.

A gun store is different then a base or war zone. I've seen live ammo come out of the chambers of 'unloaded' guns. Always preceded by "It's unloaded, I'll prove it". Not to long ago a guy working at Elwood Epps (popular gun store near me) got gut shot by some guys, "I'm sure it's unloaded" Enfield.

So, while you're right- an unloaded gun can't fire, I have seen to many people make assumptions about what's going on inside a closed action.

Also to add, getting muzzle swept by mistake in a store is a lot different then drawing a sight picture on the back of a guy standing further down the counter.
 
A gun store is different then a base or war zone. I've seen live ammo come out of the chambers of 'unloaded' guns. Always preceded by "It's unloaded, I'll prove it". Not to long ago a guy working at Elwood Epps (popular gun store near me) got gut shot by some guys, "I'm sure it's unloaded" Enfield.

So, while you're right- an unloaded gun can't fire, I have seen to many people make assumptions about what's going on inside a closed action.

Also to add, getting muzzle swept by mistake in a store is a lot different then drawing a sight picture on the back of a guy standing further down the counter.

Please have your details correct before you try using them to support your position on an issue.

Our staff member was not "gut shot" in the incident to which you are referring. The unfortunate victim of the accidental discharge involving a Mauser (not Lee-Enfield) rifle was a fellow customer to the man who brought the loaded firearm into our store. The former staff member was struck by bullet fragments and suffered non-life-threatening injuries.

Regarding the issue of gun handling in (our) stores:

Every person who holds a valid PAL was instructed on the basic safety measures pertaining to firearms handling. Those measures include the requirement to always point a firearm in a safe direction, and never toward another individual. In our store, while space in the gun room is limited, it is inexcusable for customers to take a rifle, handgun or shotgun from our staff, then immediately turn and point it up the entrance ramp toward the main store. And yet we see this happen on a daily basis!!! Where is the common sense in that action? Where is the personal accountability for such an action?

As for staff walking through a customer's line of sight, think about this: The staff member who provided the firearm in question to the customer did proof the weapon, working the action to ensure no rounds had been loaded into the chamber, and that the magazine was empty. Lever-action guns are proofed before a locking mechanism which binds the lever and blocks the trigger from being depressed are installed. Therefore it is considered safe for the customer to be handling said firearm(s), and for staff to pass through the line of handling without fear of a negligent discharge.

In much the same way, all customer guns brought into our store are inspected and cleared/proofed by the staff before they are removed from their cases. This measure was put in place long before the incident noted above. The incident itself occurred partly due to the customer's insistence that his firearm was unloaded, but had not been checked as such by him, and was handled by the customer before or staff was able to intercept that firearm.

Muzzle sweeping is another issue that has risen to prominence here on these boards. And while I do not advocate intentional swinging of barrels and muzzles toward or past other persons, it must be understood that there is only so much available room in any firearm store, and that with a multitude of customers in place at any given time, accidental or unintentional "sweeping" will occur. Again, the use of good judgement, of proper clearing/proofing of firearms prior to handling, and sensible awareness of one's surroundings does minimize the chances of a repeat incident such as the accidental discharge of the customer's Mauser, however it only takes one lapse in judgement or precaution to result in a catastrophe such as the one we saw here at our store.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all practices ACTS/PROVE on a religious basis? Think about how many incidents or near-accidents could be avoided if we were all RESPONSIBLE gun owners.
 
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Regarding the issue of gun handling in (our) stores:

Every person who holds a valid PAL was instructed on the basic safety measures pertaining to firearms handling. Those measures include the requirement to always point a firearm in a safe direction, and never toward another individual. In our store, while space in the gun room is limited, it is inexcusable for customers to take a rifle, handgun or shotgun from our staff, then immediately turn and point it up the entrance ramp toward the main store. And yet we see this happen on a daily basis!!! Where is the common sense in that action? Where is the personal accountability for such an action?

As for staff walking through a customer's line of sight, think about this: The staff member who provided the firearm in question to the customer did proof the weapon, working the action to ensure no rounds had been loaded into the chamber, and that the magazine was empty. Lever-action guns are proofed before a locking mechanism which binds the lever and blocks the trigger from being depressed are installed. Therefore it is considered safe for the customer to be handling said firearm(s), and for staff to pass through the line of handling without fear of a negligent discharge.

In much the same way, all customer guns brought into our store are inspected and cleared/proofed by the staff before they are removed from their cases. This measure was put in place long before the incident noted above. The incident itself occurred partly due to the customer's insistence that his firearm was unloaded, but had not been checked as such by him, and was handled by the customer before or staff was able to intercept that firearm.

Muzzle sweeping is another issue that has risen to prominence here on these boards. And while I do not advocate intentional swinging of barrels and muzzles toward or past other persons, it must be understood that there is only so much available room in any firearm store, and that with a multitude of customers in place at any given time, accidental or unintentional "sweeping" will occur. Again, the use of good judgement, of proper clearing/proofing of firearms prior to handling, and sensible awareness of one's surroundings does minimize the chances of a repeat incident such as the accidental discharge of the customer's Mauser, however it only takes one lapse in judgement or precaution to result in a catastrophe such as the one we saw here at our store.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all practices ACTS/PROVE on a religious basis? Think about how many incidents or near-accidents could be avoided if we were all RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

It's nice to hear that what I saw although common, shouldn't necessarily be acceptable or even tolerated if avoidable. Thank you for this response.
 
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