Guns of the Game Wardens

Been doing the job for 20 years. Here in NS we currently carry Sig P226 9mm pistols. We were originally armed with .38 SW revolvers in 1989 and followed suit in modernizing after the police made the switch to semi-auto pistols. We still lag behind in this way. Game Wardens or Conservations Officers in most provinces take an oath of office which gives them all powers and immunities of peace officers under the Criminal Code of Canada, but more specifically, the various powers and authorities granted under the legislation they enforce. Department policy also dictates what is enforced. We do much more than fish and game. Park enforcement, which is pretty much policing, Forestry Regulations, Crown Lands, Forest Fire Protection, Wilderness areas, and Off Highway Vehicles, etc. Add in our cross-appointments such as Federal Fisheries and Migratory birds. In all about 90 different pieces of legislation…. Okay, back to guns. In addition to the P226, we are only now being issued 12 ga. pump shotguns! We’ve asked for taser and patrol carbines, but the bureaucrats aren’t ready to go down that road. There is much reluctance to do so in many provinces and there is a real lack of recognition that we are LEO’s. Times are changing and many provinces are integrating our duties with police. The change is slow, but we think this will be the future. In recent times, we’ve been tasked with such things like border detail during Covid and assisted emergency management during the aftermath of hurricane Fiona. So more police-like roles than the usual fur and feathers lol.

it is up to you to not accept what is not related to your job ... i still do not get it that all across canada cos were in charge of borders and emergency act measures enforcement ....and they did it without even thinking ...

there are many agencies of leos all across canada that refused to do it and still have the job ... it is not because you re given an order that you have to follow it ...
 
it is up to you to not accept what is not related to your job ... i still do not get it that all across canada cos were in charge of borders and emergency act measures enforcement ....and they did it without even thinking ...

there are many agencies of leos all across canada that refused to do it and still have the job ... it is not because you re given an order that you have to follow it ...

Yeah but how many COs were failed RCMP and police applicants? I bet they love getting handed these extra duties!
 
It’s harder to become a c/o than a cop so likely none.
i know enough ex rcmps that become cos that i cannot comment that much on it lol ... and they were not good at all at both ...

Yeah but how many COs were failed RCMP and police applicants? I bet they love getting handed these extra duties!

Nothing could be further from the truth.

indeed so true. even here the rcmp did not enforce for very long the ema measures even the cos woke up when some of them got their families or member in trouble ...
 
Yeah but how many COs were failed RCMP and police applicants? I bet they love getting handed these extra duties!

It may vary by province , but it is a lot tougher to become a Conservation Officer/Forest Ranger here than it is to become a police officer . The training and education requirements here are higher for CO/Rangers , their required duties and skill set is a lot broader , and there are a lot fewer of them here than there are police officers ; so there are a lot fewer jobs to apply for . Many CO/Rangers are required to do a lot more than just enforcement duties.
 
It may vary by province , but it is a lot tougher to become a Conservation Officer/Forest Ranger here than it is to become a police officer . The training and education requirements here are higher for CO/Rangers , their required duties and skill set is a lot broader , and there are a lot fewer of them here than there are police officers ; so there are a lot fewer jobs to apply for . Many CO/Rangers are required to do a lot more than just enforcement duties.

Then their wage compensation should reflect that then correct? All conservation officers should be making way more money than police officers then if their duties are more encompassing more difficult and more knowledge based... I believe our local police get increased to 120k after completing their fifth year of service. COs must get more than that then by that logic.
 
I have family members in the RCMP and Natural Resources ( Conservation Officers ) , it is far harder to become a CO , in Alberta at least . I do find it entertaining when they refer to their rifles as Patrol Carbines though . I ride my cousin over it a lot . He isn't a fan of the platform for what he does and is actually not that happy about being pushed increasingly towards being a law enforcement officer , it isn't what he signed up for . That being said , different jurisdictions have different expectations of their COs .
 
Then their wage compensation should reflect that then correct? All conservation officers should be making way more money than police officers then if their duties are more encompassing more difficult and more knowledge based... I believe our local police get increased to 120k after completing their fifth year of service. COs must get more than that then by that logic.

I sense you don't have much love for them?
 
Parks Canada issued pre 64 Model 70 270Â’s. I think a bunch of them were decommissioned 25 years ago. One of the great modern day tragedies.

Parks Canada has many bolt rifles they rarely advertise. Back in the 1990s when the federal government was sharing data bases with DND at CFB Moose Jaw scanning through other departments small arms was very very interesting.
Parks Canada highlights: a bolt rifle in 17 Remington, Ruger 77s in 22-250 and 308.
RCMP: 22 LR Stinger (looks like a ball point pen) HK PSG-1 in 308 Win. HK MP-5, Sako 22 LR bolt rifle with suppressor.

Wish I could remember more of them. But these ones stick out in my memory. This federal supply computer data base sharing only lasted about two years then it stopped.
 
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Parks Canada has many bolt rifles they rarely advertise. Back in the 1990s when the federal government was sharing data bases with DND at CFB Moose Jaw scanning through other departments small arms was very very interesting.
Parks Canada highlights: a bolt rifle in 17 Remington, Ruger 77s in 22-250 and 308.
RCMP: 22 LR Stinger (looks like a ball point pen) HK PSG-1 in 308 Win. HK MP-5, Sako 22 LR bolt rifle with suppressor.

Wish I could remember more of them. But these ones stick out in my memory. This federal supply computer data base sharing only lasted about two years then it stopped.

I wonder if it was Park Specific?
 
I have family members in the RCMP and Natural Resources ( Conservation Officers ) , it is far harder to become a CO , in Alberta at least . I do find it entertaining when they refer to their rifles as Patrol Carbines though . I ride my cousin over it a lot . He isn't a fan of the platform for what he does and is actually not that happy about being pushed increasingly towards being a law enforcement officer , it isn't what he signed up for . That being said , different jurisdictions have different expectations of their COs .

as the law is made they are law enforcement officer and for a while but your cousin is certainly referring that they have been tasked to do more first responder things which is another problem. in saskatchewan and alberta a lot of leos are now first responder and that is why they got their black rifles ... if they thought it was just for fun they may not like. i know that many agencies lost a lot of leos because of those new tasks.
 
There was nothing to indicate a specific park. Our impression this was-is a national database.

park canada had 375 HH caliber for jasper and banff and the trainers that came to the yukon gave the 7mm rem mag as no one can qualify with the 375 ... and that was over 12 years ago.
 
park canada had 375 HH caliber for jasper and banff and the trainers that came to the yukon gave the 7mm rem mag as no one can qualify with the 375 ... and that was over 12 years ago.

Seems I vaguely remember mention of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Its kind of correct that Parks Canada would have them in inventory.
Several federal departments had 308 and 30-06. I tend to think 7mm Rem Mag was the only belted magnum in this whole catalogue. Just not sure if could put money on it.
1992-93ish.
 
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Seems I vaguely remember mention of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Its kind of correct that Parks Canada would have them in inventory.
Several federal departments had 308 and 30-06. I tend to think 7mm Rem Mag was the only belted magnum in this whole catalogue. Just not sure if could put money on it.
1992-93ish.

Just reading the memoirs of a retired park warden, he mentions a .270 as his carry weapon.

Grizz
 
Just reading the memoirs of a retired park warden, he mentions a .270 as his carry weapon.

Grizz

I believe him sir. By no means is my meager list complete.
This federal data base was for Parks Canada, RCMP, Coast Guard, Fisheries & Oceans and DND.
There's no way I could remember even one 15th of that computer based catalogue.

Cheers
 
Seen the local Warden with his higher end AR10 clone and .40 s+w. As well as 5.56mm poodle shooters very recently at the local range. They've gone tactical with their patrol equipment, reasoning on his end is that they are now given rural policing duties. They've literally armed the dog catcher here as well. Any Peace Officer position is packing.
 
Seen the local Warden with his higher end AR10 clone and .40 s+w. As well as 5.56mm poodle shooters very recently at the local range. They've gone tactical with their patrol equipment, reasoning on his end is that they are now given rural policing duties. They've literally armed the dog catcher here as well. Any Peace Officer position is packing.

What do u think regards your last two sentences sir?
Does this make u feel safer or less so?
Once upon a time 38/357 was deemed sufficient. And a bolt action 30-06, maybe a 300 Win Mag bolt action for primarily predators?(most of Alberta 12 gauge-slugs)
Curious....
 
Simply noting a trend of paramilitarization of police and peace officers. It's here and abroad. Make me feel safer? Certainly not. Not sure I much care for the trend.
 
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