GunVault
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calgaryshooter
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Max Owner said:
I believe they do. The only problem is that it causes issues specifically for the Gun Vault. If you mounted it to the wall, the door would either be facing down (causing the pistol to fall out when opened) or up (meaning you had to fish around for it). Floor mounting works the best, assuming you can put it somewhere where it's not in plain sight.
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catfood said:I don't think you must have a trigger lock if the firearem is stored in a gun vault, i.e a safe made and designed to store firearms....rubbermaid bins do not qualify.
Perhaps when I get the REAL safe (Costco or Browning) I will think about trigger locks... but until then, I want as much between my kids and their friends and my guns as possible.
Call me anal (just kidding) but I have a combo trigger lock on each and every firearm in the house, restricted or otherwise. If the action opens sufficiently I also put an action lock on (wire combo lock). Then they are locked in a plastic gun case (I am looking for something more solid... suggestions?). Then they are locked in a gun locker. And I am not very happy with the gun locker, particularly for my pistols and I am intending to invest in a Costco or Browning safe this weekend. My problem is the transportation of the heavy unit. Even the Costco safe weighs nearly 500 pounds.
Anyone have any suggestions as to something more solid than the tupperware boxes being sold these days? I have seen aluminum briefcases and the like... but they all seem flimsy to me.
That Gun Vault comes in 4 varieties by the way. Two sizes and plain or deluxe. I intend to purchase two of those as well... and install one in the bedroom and one in the study, so that should I be interrupted from cleaning or working on a pistol, I can secure it in a moment without going to the hassle of trigger locks and so on. Doorbell rings... I don't want to leave a pistol lying around unsecured even for a moment.
So... has anyone seen the new Glock lockable single pistol cases? They are still plastic but I would think more difficult to break into than the Plano stuff. But the truth be known... all it takes is a Dremel tool to get them open in about 5 - 10 seconds. That's why I use multiple locking devices... you reach a point where a court has to say "What else could he have done to secure the gun reasonably?"
Max Owner
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I was thinking about something like these vaults. My concern is how to fasten it down. Thought about getting some kind of night table and put it inside it and bolt it in. But the night stand might just get carried off.
Have a finished basement so bolting to the floor is out. Unless some lage self tapping screws were used.
How does one get one in Canada?
Have a finished basement so bolting to the floor is out. Unless some lage self tapping screws were used.
How does one get one in Canada?
I just bought the small version (1 handgun) from Hub Sports in Abbotsford for $50.00 because I moved my safe two floors down from my bedroom and wanted a safe of some kind in my bedroom.
The combo system works great and would recommend it because I am very satisfied with the unit.
The combo system works great and would recommend it because I am very satisfied with the unit.
I apologize if this comes off the wrong way but if you have to do all that to keep your guns out of your kids' hands, you might want to keep their friends out of your house or reconsider having guns at all. I meet the legal minimums, not because I'm concerned about my kids getting into them, but because I want to keep the law off my ass. My kids know where the guns are and are usually involved when I take them out for shooting, cleaning, maintenace, etc. It is drilled into them each time that guns aren't toys and that they can look and touch all they want as long as they ask and I'm there to supervise. My young son comes with me to the range and though my daughter is curious when I have them out, it's just not her bag. Consequently, the guns are no big deal and they know that it's not part of the tour of the house if they have friends over.torontogunguy said:
If the day comes where I'm concerned about my guns getting into my kids or my kid's friend's hands for the wrong reasons, my kids will be subject to some new rules and will be finding some new friends.
Just my take.
looking at that pic it would certainly not meet my def. of a safe or vault. and I woudln't use that without trigger locks too.
a safe / vault should have muiltipe locking pins around the door.
you can get them at cnd tire / wall mart for under $100
http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/p...0027566810&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true
a safe / vault should have muiltipe locking pins around the door.
you can get them at cnd tire / wall mart for under $100
http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/p...0027566810&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true
Gun Vaults
Here's a link if you want the gov. reg on restricted firearm storage
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdo...tuteyear=all&lengthannual=50&length=50&page=2
I cut and pasted the reg below if the link doesn't work.
6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
Here's a link if you want the gov. reg on restricted firearm storage
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdo...tuteyear=all&lengthannual=50&length=50&page=2
I cut and pasted the reg below if the link doesn't work.
6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
calgaryshooter
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scott said:
I appreciate what you're trying to say, but if you read the regs, there is no definition of what meets the definition. Does "not easily broken into" mean the StackOn special? Maybe the LEO or judge or whatever you get in Alberta says yes. Or, does a safe not meet the definition in Ontario because the LEO or judge you get thinks that all guns should be in a safe surrounded by concrete.
The problem (and the flipside bonus) is that there is no hard and fast definition so it's all up to interpretation.
GunVault Safe
I've had the Deluxe(extra shelf) for some years and am very satisfied with the product. Once in a while my wife and I practice how fast we can get at it(the revolvers in our case), load and fire the first shot. We use dummy rounds, of course, and my average time is under 10 seconds (am in my mid-seventies and have arthritis). her time is a secret, she is younger, better looking and much faster. Sure, drawing the 38Super from my IPSC holster is a lot faster, but then it is not handy any time day or night.
If I had to do it again I would choose the same product.
Hope this is of some help.
bluesclues said:
I've had the Deluxe(extra shelf) for some years and am very satisfied with the product. Once in a while my wife and I practice how fast we can get at it(the revolvers in our case), load and fire the first shot. We use dummy rounds, of course, and my average time is under 10 seconds (am in my mid-seventies and have arthritis). her time is a secret, she is younger, better looking and much faster. Sure, drawing the 38Super from my IPSC holster is a lot faster, but then it is not handy any time day or night.
If I had to do it again I would choose the same product.
Hope this is of some help.
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- Southern Ontario
On sale right now at Canadian Tire for $49.
Or if you want something heavier, try Harbour Freight stateside.
Or if you want something heavier, try Harbour Freight stateside.
scott said:
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. BUT, having said that I am also a big believer in the addage that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". And having said all of THAT... I am embarrassed to say that I am the proud cousin of a mid-20's licensed gun owner (stateside) that recently blew two of his fingers off with a handgun by accident. I did not ask the details and I don't want to know. Frankly, we have little contact so everything is second hand information. But I took it as a warning to ME. I am a great believer in such things... they happen for a reason. This was a message to ME to ensure my guns are solidly stored.
My son shoots with me (he is 13) and has just taken the handgun safety course with me at the gun club. He can load, lock and #### with the best, while keeping the gun pointed in a safe direction. He knows the rules... but kids are kids. He is studying for his Minor's PAL. Truth is that I would probably be okay with having the guns just laying around the house.... but here is my take on the matter, in full.
I would rather invest an extra few dollars and minutes into prevention rather than have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a wrongful death lawsuit or a criminal charge for unsafe storage. I don't want to have to even think about someone that I am not familiar with being in my home and gaining access. To me THAT is the point. And the possibility of a teen having access to my firearms? Well, if you are comfy with it you really want to get some counselling from a professional that is familiar with teen psychology. It has nothing to do with knowledge of the safety rules.
I have a good friend who is ex-Israeli army. As you can well imagine, not too much is kept locked up over there. He slept with an Uzi on the dresser and handguns all over the home, loaded and ready to go. Only the heavy stuff was kept under lock and key... you can only imagine what "heavy stuff" is when an Uzi is kept loaded and ready to go beside your bed each night. That being said... he will also be locking up everything to the n'th degree here. It has nothing to do with trust... more to do with peace of mind and fear of the unknown. And teen psychology. Over there you are trained in the use of firearms and you know and understand what they can do pretty much by the time you can walk and talk. Over here the teens are different and protected.
A wise man invests in prevention. It is much cheaper and the rewards are significant.
I spoke with a fellow the other day that put a steel door on a concrete block cold cellar room. I would think that is about as rugged as you can get but I want to stay out of the basement.
My son shoots with me (he is 13) and has just taken the handgun safety course with me at the gun club. He can load, lock and #### with the best, while keeping the gun pointed in a safe direction. He knows the rules... but kids are kids. He is studying for his Minor's PAL. Truth is that I would probably be okay with having the guns just laying around the house.... but here is my take on the matter, in full.
I would rather invest an extra few dollars and minutes into prevention rather than have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a wrongful death lawsuit or a criminal charge for unsafe storage. I don't want to have to even think about someone that I am not familiar with being in my home and gaining access. To me THAT is the point. And the possibility of a teen having access to my firearms? Well, if you are comfy with it you really want to get some counselling from a professional that is familiar with teen psychology. It has nothing to do with knowledge of the safety rules.
I have a good friend who is ex-Israeli army. As you can well imagine, not too much is kept locked up over there. He slept with an Uzi on the dresser and handguns all over the home, loaded and ready to go. Only the heavy stuff was kept under lock and key... you can only imagine what "heavy stuff" is when an Uzi is kept loaded and ready to go beside your bed each night. That being said... he will also be locking up everything to the n'th degree here. It has nothing to do with trust... more to do with peace of mind and fear of the unknown. And teen psychology. Over there you are trained in the use of firearms and you know and understand what they can do pretty much by the time you can walk and talk. Over here the teens are different and protected.
A wise man invests in prevention. It is much cheaper and the rewards are significant.
I spoke with a fellow the other day that put a steel door on a concrete block cold cellar room. I would think that is about as rugged as you can get but I want to stay out of the basement.
j-man said:
bear.23 said:
Since when? It is a safe designed for the safe storage of firearms. Therefore you do not need a trigger lock. You can also store your firearm together with ammunition - not loaded though.
Anyway, I like the single finger scanner types. I have the single finger scanner type and it works great. Super fast to open too. You can register more than one finger - just in case you lose a digit.
Haven't bothered to set it up though. One of these days I'll get around to it.Inprint Touchpad Fingerprint Gunsafe
http://www.impactguns.com/store/INPRINT.html
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ROEDAN said:
"stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms".
Could the requirement for a safe to be specifically constructed for the secure storage of restricted firearms be changed through an Order In Council? The crap CanadianTire sells are about as secure as a school locker, but they are marketted as "gun safes". There are plenty of safes (like the ones Costco sells) that are safer, but they may not qualify as being specifically constructed for the secure storage of restricted firearms. I'd like to see the CPC change it to just "stored in a vault or safe." and add another 'or' option regarding a specially constructed/modified room
Secondly, what modifications would a person have to make to a Brand X safe to qualify it as being specifically modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms? How about putting a "Keep Out" sticker on the outside? "Glock Perfection"? "Dial 1911"?
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bear.23 said:
What? Boxes of ammo? A safe in the bedroom isn't for storage, it's for easy access. Ammo in boxes? naw...silly man, takes too long to charge mags...keep fully charged mags in the safe with the gun, legal, quick and a no brainer...
X2 ^ Easy access and safe storage!
Practice with an empty mag blind folded. You could also relocate your firearm to a more secure safe every morning if desired. This safe makes it so easy!
Inprint guns safes with serial numbers ranging from 04470001 to 04470500 have been recalled due to a faulty latch. All others are OK.
Practice with an empty mag blind folded. You could also relocate your firearm to a more secure safe every morning if desired. This safe makes it so easy!
Inprint guns safes with serial numbers ranging from 04470001 to 04470500 have been recalled due to a faulty latch. All others are OK.
oh boy... my understanding from reading the regs is that you don't need a trigger lock if the firearm is stored in a vault or safe (period... no qualification)
or
in a room that is specifically designed/built to store firearms (ie. armour/reinforce a den or bedroom so it performs like a safe or vault).
there simply are no qualifications for any safe. (at least thats how I read it)
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in a room that is specifically designed/built to store firearms (ie. armour/reinforce a den or bedroom so it performs like a safe or vault).
there simply are no qualifications for any safe. (at least thats how I read it)
