Guy shoots sow bear with two cubs - What would you do?

You are realy a canidate for the Darwin awards if you don't see this bear as being a problem. There is a lot of eduction you need
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Look - i'm going to give you one last warning. One more personal insult out of you - towards ANYONE - and I'm going to get pissed off.

I don't mind you attacking a fact or an argument I make. But you have no call to be acting like that.

And if you really believed what you say, you wouldn't need to resort to that kind of antic to make your point.
 
ummm yeah um beyond the legalities of shooting sows with cubs present, they are alot more umm concientious ways to deal with that type of situation then shooting it
 
Reading all this BS... :rolleyes:


FWIW there were actually 3 problem bears here; the dead sow, plus the 2 cubs that she was habituating to travelling through the area of these cottages(?) .... I think it's cottages in a remote area isn't it?


I'd like to know how old this sow was? Was this her first pair of cubs, or had she raised several pairs of cubs to routinely travel through the community?


There's more questions then answers for me in spite of all the baffle-gab and opinions. The only thing I do know is I am damn sure I would know when a bear needed to be shot... not sure about this bear yet, given the info...


Btw, what happened to the cubs? I forget, how old were they? (I don't want to re-read everything to find out).



Edit: FYI I went back to the beginning to re-read the premise of the situation.


It begs me to ask had any C.O.'s been called in on this particular bear?

I lived 17 years in Swan Hills and every spring the grizzlies would start to come around. The F&W Officers knew where to expect 'em and when. They always just monitored the bears and set traps in case any of 'em got stupid. I never remember an incident that caused anyone trouble; I was always interested to read the Grizzly Gazette when the bears came to town.

Back in the '70's before Swan Hills had a land fill outside town, grizzlies and blacks bears were a helluva problem. I know a guy that was mauled by a black bear in Swan Hills about 1975.

My brother shot a black bear right on his deck, in the Drayton Valley area (acreage). It was out of season but clearly a problem bear...
 
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Foxer said:
Based on your logic, we should kill ALL bears. They might organize at any moment and revolt! :D
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Same hysterics we have here on Van island regarding Wolves. It's sad really, and no wonder the antis have a field day following these sorts of "hunters" around. :rolleyes:

I wonder how folks will feel when this asshat puts a bullet through his neighbours house and kill someone next time he shoots at a bear. :rolleyes:
 
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From reading the threads on this site it soon becomes apparent that many people are scared stiff of bears. Black bear attachs are actually rare and most of them seem to be of the predatory type. I have never heard of a wounded black bear attacking. Black bears do not protect their cubs against humans. I knew a bush homesteader who, for over thirty years, said he shot a bear cub every fall, because he liked the fat from it. (It was completely legal during that time.) He said he never once had to shoot the mother bear. He said they just bluff a bit. One time I was driving a 4 x 4 truck on a completely unused trail. I had two young nephews with me, when a black bear with two cubs showed up beside the trail. I jumped out of the truck and chased the old girl up a tree, so the kids could get a good look at them all. By the way, I didn't even have a gun with me!
Our son has lived for twenty-five years on ruaral acreage, a few miles from town, but not isolated. There are bears on his place every year, but never once did one get aggresive. Just the other day he told me he came out of his garage and there was a bear between the garage and his house. He just told it to "get to hell out of here," and it ambled off. He once had one that wouldn't scare very well, so he shot it in the side with a paint gun ball! He said it took off and didn't even come back, because he was watching for it with the paint spot on it.
Regarding a spring cub all by its self, here is his experience. Three years ago, in early fall, a small, spring cub came, all by itself. When it came regular, always by itself, he fed it, saying he was going to give it every chance. He lives right in some hills and big trees, and bears have denned up a hundred yards from his house. So, he fed the cub all fall and before winter it quit coming. He said the white mark on its chest was quite distinctive, so he said he could recognize it. The next spring it showed up, quite a bit bigger, he said! He fed it sparingly, then booted it out. The next year it didn't show up, but this spring it did! He said it walked around the same places where he had fed it as a cub. But, it went, and caused no trouble. Thus, it is possible for a cub to survive. He has had various dogs over the years, some, in particular a malamute, hated the bears with a passion, but put up with them.
 
ROA, why don't you move to a country in Europe that is nearly devoid of wildlife and suppress your fears and anxieties. Oh, take your sharp shooting little brother with 'ya. (no personal insult intended) :cheers:
 
We have bears around our place too, here in the hills around Vancouver.

The way i look at it- Its like walking the downtown streets. Panhandlers, bums, and creepy people on the street corners are all unwelcome. But I don't need to beat them up. Stay away from me and mine, and we'll get along fine. We tolerate each other. Make yourself a problem, and I'll have a reason to act on it. Simple as that. Bears aren't much different.
 
Sounds to me that the boozin' guy with no hunting licence and a possible firearms prohib is more of a problem than the sow was.More difficult to get rid of too.I don't think I'd want him for a neighbor,I'd rather have the bears! Mur
 
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Anyways just want to throw this out here...

I was under the impression that in Ontario there isn't a reg regarding sows/cubs.

Obviously you have to be a douche bag killing a sow with cubs, but I still thought it was acceptable under the law?
 
Obviously you have to be a douche bag killing a sow with cubs, but I still thought it was acceptable under the law?
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not in bc while hunting. And it's not really an 'anti-sow' law, it's a 'don't shoot ANY bear if it's accompanied by another bear" law. That prevents the shooting of mothers with cubs, even if the cub is large for its age.

Wouldn't apply here tho - the guy wasn't hunting. Either the bear was a direct threat, justifying the use of firearms within the no-fire zone and shooting the bear, or it was not (and therefore wasn't justified under the law.) The rule goes out the window when it's your life or the life of someone else.
 
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Anyways just want to throw this out here...

I was under the impression that in Ontario there isn't a reg regarding sows/cubs.

Obviously you have to be a douche bag killing a sow with cubs, but I still thought it was acceptable under the law?
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It's illegal in Ontario to kill a sow with cubs. But, I think even before the cancellation of the spring bear hunt, there has been only one charge laid.
It never was a problem, the anti's just had better PR than we did.
 
It has never been illegal to kill a sow with cubs in the fall hunt in Ontario only in the spring and since they cancelled the spring hunt it is not neccesary to have it in the regs!!!!!!!! I think we need to be good judges when it comes to hunting bears and sows with cubs should be left alone in my opinion unless they are a nuisence
 
Republic of Alberta said:
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You can try to elevate yourself to "internet expert" status by calling me down but the truth is you realy show your lack of experince in this and other posts. You realy honestly belive that this bear is not a problem???
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Here you go letting off steam again... show me...


Republic of Alberta said:
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I have seen bears switch thier behavior from scared, and timid to aggresive and confrontation in less than 20 minutes.
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Really? 20 minutes? you mean bears can change their demeanor that fast???? your joking.
I've Switched in the past from scared to agressive in a split second and would assume a bear would, or could also... Respect their boundries, and you wont have a problem.

Republic of Alberta said:
I have also seen bears "pretend" they don't know your there only to turn and bluff when you get close.
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What are you 16? Every animal will do this if you get to close for comfort.
Paying attention to an animals comfort zone is something EVERYONE should do especially when dealing with bears...
I guess if your walking around scared ####less most of the time, the bears really pick on you. Grow a bit of confidence. Animals can sense it, and maybe you wont get "bluffed" as much. I mean, if I was scared of my own shadow, I might want to shoot every bear i see too.
Just to clear up your termiinology...

"Bluff" (Verb)
1. to mislead by a display of strength, self-confidence, or the like: He bluffed me into believing that he was a doctor.
2. to gain by bluffing: He bluffed his way into the job.
3. Poker. to deceive by a show of confidence in the strength of one's cards.
–verb (used without object) 4. to mislead someone by presenting a bold, strong, or self-confident front: That open face makes it impossible for him to bluff.

Republic of Alberta said:
Trying to pass off the notion that there are "safe" bears is crazy. You don't know what it is going to do 100% of the time. Anyone with REAL experience knows this. And for that reason alone knows it is not wise to let them hang around.
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You dont know what anything is going to do 100% of the time... to assume bears are any different is ludicrous. Know what they are capable of,. and respect it, and you wont have a problem...
Here you go again about "real experience"... the same thing your lacking...
No one is even responding to you anymore...
Stick to playing video games in your moms basement ok?


Republic of Alberta said:
Based on something that happend to me I belive that once a bear becomes a threat, by acting aggresive, having no fear of people or any escalation in it's behavior it needs to be delt with IMMEDIATLY if it is near people.
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Seems like your fear of bears is more of a phobia... I have a few doctors i know out in your area that you might be able to talk to about it...
There is a big difference between acting agressive, and not fearing humans... Why fear humans if there is no need to? Fear is what causes reactions. If your not a food source to a black bear, the only other reason to atack you is Fear, and food competition... If your neither, your safe... respect THEIR boundries, and we can coexist comfortably. Deal with them your way, and the'd be extinct in 20 years.
Rarely is a black bear agressive.

Republic of Alberta said:
I've found out the hard way that killing the bear outright rather than waiting to talk to a CO is the correct thing to do.
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In some extinuating circumstances it is... Was it a black bear?

Often this is provoked by thick headed humans that continue to feed these bears and egg em on with thinking or realizing their doing it...

I could see you doing something stupid like this...
I would only assume by dealing with you on gunnutz that you likely caused the issue.

Republic of Alberta said:
My indecision at the time could have had grave consequences. If somemone was hurt I could not live with that, mabey I am an internet a**hole but my integrity as a man will not let it happen again.
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Dont confuse integrity with insecurity.

Republic of Alberta said:
This guy is a bum but the fact remains that he was able to make a decision that many of you would not be able to make,
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A clear decision that the animal is not a threat to me? Read the responses... Most on here could have, and did easily make that decision...
your holing on to a thread of "what ifs" and "the possibility was there to"
Lets take your blinders off, and look at facts... the animal was not a threat, and was treated as such.


Republic of Alberta said:
or people may not like me for taking action"
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Yeah, your a real man of action :puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:
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hunt365 said:
It has never been illegal to kill a sow with cubs in the fall hunt in Ontario only in the spring and since they cancelled the spring hunt it is not neccesary to have it in the regs!!!!!!!! I think we need to be good judges when it comes to hunting bears and sows with cubs should be left alone in my opinion unless they are a nuisence
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Checked into that.
It's true, it's legal in Ontario to shoot a sow with cubs. BECAUSE we now only have a fall bear hunt.
Thus, in the spring, when it's illegal to shoot ANY bear, (exceptions for certian bothersome bears) it's illegal to shoot a sow with cubs by default.
 
Huh. Well i guess it makes SOME sense...

We have the same rules for fall and spring - no shooting 'accompanied' bears period.

You're also not supposed to shoot lactating cougars. What's LESS clear is how they expect you to go check first without the cougar taking 'issue' with you :D
 
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