H&k mr556
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F22_RaptoR
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What that one guy spouting off about it?
He got shut down by at least a dozen guys. The fact is, even if they DUCT TAPE the damn gun together and it fires even ONCE, its a "variant".
But even MORE than that, the fact is the HK 416 was a DIRECT variant (and is stated as such) of the M16/M4, and the MR223 and MR556 are direct variants of the HK 416. A variant of a variant is still a variant. RCMP will restrict them as variants. Even with 18.5" or 20" barrels.
Case closed.
nah it was a long time ago, maybe last spring or earlier.
that sucks well whatever, there are some good black rifles coming into the country anyways. sigh. firearms laws are not only retarted and dont make sense, they are outdated...
but the hk's wouldnt be bad range rifles, but the range is boring compared to well... anywhere lol
blaxsun
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Nope, that would have been as early as last week. What F22 said. x100. The fate of the HK416, MR223 and MR556 is sealed.
There's always the alternative (not being able to own them at all)...
blaxsun
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this was the thread I was referring to:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530369&highlight=mr223
I know you probably know more than me (clearly
) but some dude did say it, so sorry for being misinformed 
blaxsun
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I know you probably know more than me (clearly
If someone wants to get a 20" barrel, new gas block, etc. and try to re-register it... best of luck!
blaxsun
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yea i know it would be next to impossible. I was just simply saying that someone had mentioned that they could theoretically be converted to non-res.
I guy can dream can't he!
Aside from the logistics issues (finding a NR barrel, finding a different gas block, modifying the gas port, etc.), converting an MR223 to a 20" barrel is theoretically possible. Accuracy may be effected, though - and in the end - you're still going to end up with a restricted firearm (I believe rajczak_kashka modified his MR223 to 10.4", so he could probably shed more light on what was involved). But hey, if someone really wants to do this more power to them. Dream away!
I really hope that wasn't intended to hurt my poor little feelers
blaxsun
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I really hope that wasn't intended to hurt my poor little feelers
Not in the least.
i always thought the the MR 223 had the heavy, hammer-forged barrel NON-chrome lined?
Also, how is the quality of the H&K stuff built in the USA?
If it's built in the USA, is the gun still stamped with the quality mark (looks like a little horn)?
The upper and lower of the MR556 are made in the US. The barrel blank came from Germany, and it is profiled(by Daniel Defence from what I heard somewhere else) and assembled in the US. The plastic parts are germany. The guts are also German.
The MR556 is actually kinda screw-up. The receiver retaining pins are like the Swiss arms', except that they need to be depressed by a pointy tool to get off. It is a MR556 feature to make the upper and lower tighter together. Also, the safety lever switch of the MR556( but NOT MR223) could be switched to "Safe" even when the hammer is not cocked! This is done by design! If you are accustomed to regular AR manual of arms, this little bit will really mind-f*** you. We were test firing it on Monday. After I cleared the weapon, the sale rep was telling me to put the "safety" on - I was like "WHAT?". Then he switched the weapon to "safe" - he babbled something about the desire to store weapons with safety on......
IMHO. Bad ju-ju. I don't know why they did that to the US version and introduce a new variation to the manual of arms. The German version MR223 is just like a regular AR. The dealer price of MR556 is about 2200 USD and the MSRP is 2999. Also, the lower and barrels are marked 5.56mm - it will depend on the US DOS and the skill of the importer to sort this out. It is not going to be straight forwards. Because there is an official Canadian distributer already who handle the civilian market, I doubt HK USA will cooperate with any other CDN importers because this will cut into the sales region of the German division. HK is very specific about their sales territories for their respective geographic regions of responsibilities. Canada is not under HK USA.
BTW: all the HKs in Canada are imported directly from Germany by R.Nichol. So unless it is a 3rd party import, the chance of seeing officical import by R.Nichol is very very very slim.
The MR556 is actually kinda screw-up. The receiver retaining pins are like the Swiss arms', except that they need to be depressed by a pointy tool to get off. It is a MR556 feature to make the upper and lower tighter together. Also, the safety lever switch of the MR556( but NOT MR223) could be switched to "Safe" even when the hammer is not cocked! This is done by design! If you are accustomed to regular AR manual of arms, this little bit will really mind-f*** you. We were test firing it on Monday. After I cleared the weapon, the sale rep was telling me to put the "safety" on - I was like "WHAT?". Then he switched the weapon to "safe" - he babbled something about the desire to store weapons with safety on......
IMHO. Bad ju-ju. I don't know why they did that to the US version and introduce a new variation to the manual of arms. The German version MR223 is just like a regular AR. The dealer price of MR556 is about 2200 USD and the MSRP is 2999. Also, the lower and barrels are marked 5.56mm - it will depend on the US DOS and the skill of the importer to sort this out. It is not going to be straight forwards. Because there is an official Canadian distributer already who handle the civilian market, I doubt HK USA will cooperate with any other CDN importers because this will cut into the sales region of the German division. HK is very specific about their sales territories for their respective geographic regions of responsibilities. Canada is not under HK USA.
BTW: all the HKs in Canada are imported directly from Germany by R.Nichol. So unless it is a 3rd party import, the chance of seeing officical import by R.Nichol is very very very slim.
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Greentips,
I have to disagree with you on the safety point. Always being able to place a weapon on safe is a safety advantage. This is a great improvement in the AR firing system. Exactly why is this screwing you or anyone up? Hammer back or forward, doesn't matter, the weapon always goes on safe.
This is a civilian target rifle. The captive pins help keep the fit between the upper and lower very tight. Also, the same allen key, cleverly stowed in the but of the gun can be used to tighten up the adjustable stock. Once everything is set up and locked down on the gun, you have a completely tight weapon with not play anywhere. This may be an aid in the potential accuracy / shoot-ability of the gun. As you correctly said before, the non-crome lined barrel is due to the fact that HK feels that they can get more accuracy out of the gun.
I for one really liked the whole package the MR556 offered. And the MR556 comes standard with iron sights (just a bit big and high, HK drum style). I love being able to always place the gun on safe regardless of it's condition. All AR's need to be configured in this way.
Rich
I have to disagree with you on the safety point. Always being able to place a weapon on safe is a safety advantage. This is a great improvement in the AR firing system. Exactly why is this screwing you or anyone up? Hammer back or forward, doesn't matter, the weapon always goes on safe.
This is a civilian target rifle. The captive pins help keep the fit between the upper and lower very tight. Also, the same allen key, cleverly stowed in the but of the gun can be used to tighten up the adjustable stock. Once everything is set up and locked down on the gun, you have a completely tight weapon with not play anywhere. This may be an aid in the potential accuracy / shoot-ability of the gun. As you correctly said before, the non-crome lined barrel is due to the fact that HK feels that they can get more accuracy out of the gun.
I for one really liked the whole package the MR556 offered. And the MR556 comes standard with iron sights (just a bit big and high, HK drum style). I love being able to always place the gun on safe regardless of it's condition. All AR's need to be configured in this way.
Rich
blaxsun
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I agree; I don't see any downside with an improved safety here at all. Not sure I'm crazy about the new pins, though.
I don't care about to debate which way is superior.
The simple point:changing the safety lever after millions of people are trained the samee way serves no purpose but to create confusion.
If this is a SG, it is fine. However, don't make an AR lower and change important fire control detail on the fly.
The simple point:changing the safety lever after millions of people are trained the samee way serves no purpose but to create confusion.
If this is a SG, it is fine. However, don't make an AR lower and change important fire control detail on the fly.
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nice rifle, but how does it shoot?
blaxsun
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There are always going to be purists and those who are resistant to change... I'm sure this isn't the first controversial (?) modification to the AR platform and it certainly won't be the last. I can't imagine that HK is necessarily going to be a trendsetter with this, but as this enhances safety I don't really see any downside. Maybe it has more to do with a consumer liability standpoint than anything else (this is a consumer rifle, after all).
And with the MR223 already widely available in Canada it's not like the MR556 will necessarily be made available for export (at least the lowers, anyway). Ultimately, if this is a real sticking point there are other options...
