H&K P7 series, why did I wait so long to get them?
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Ardent
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One thing I noted now after playing with both of them tonight, the P7 and P7M8, I couldn't figure out for a moment why my grip was changing and why the P7 felt slightly better, when by all indications they should have been near identical.
It's the enlarged trigger guard on the P7M8; it keeps my support hand too low for my liking with a full grip and my pinky is fully midair not just partially like the P7, so I modified my technique and put my pointer on the front of the trigger guard with my support hand now. Oddly, in effect, the P7M8 has a smaller grip than the P7 due to this lowered trigger guard, who woulda thought.
It's the enlarged trigger guard on the P7M8; it keeps my support hand too low for my liking with a full grip and my pinky is fully midair not just partially like the P7, so I modified my technique and put my pointer on the front of the trigger guard with my support hand now. Oddly, in effect, the P7M8 has a smaller grip than the P7 due to this lowered trigger guard, who woulda thought.
For the guys who have one ...
I never hold a P7 but read that you have to squeeze the grip 14 pounds to #### the gun. Is it something that can be done fast ...for like in a defense situation?
Squeeze the handle, then the trigger seems like time consumming. But I am not sure since I never tried it. I would be please to hear from someone who actually shoot one.
How is it? Does it feel natural?
I never hold a P7 but read that you have to squeeze the grip 14 pounds to #### the gun. Is it something that can be done fast ...for like in a defense situation?
Squeeze the handle, then the trigger seems like time consumming. But I am not sure since I never tried it. I would be please to hear from someone who actually shoot one.
How is it? Does it feel natural?
Cocking the pistol initially takes some pressure, but once the pistol is cocked you can ease up on the grip significantly. Does not take very much pressure to keep it cocked.
As a side note, the P7M8 has an interesting feature. If you keep the trigger pressed down, as you #### the gun, the cocker will fire the pistol (as opposed to the triggger). In the manual it is explained that this feature is there to ensure that, no matter what, the gun will go boom in an emergency. Tried it once - interesting but not great for accuracy.
As a side note, the P7M8 has an interesting feature. If you keep the trigger pressed down, as you #### the gun, the cocker will fire the pistol (as opposed to the triggger). In the manual it is explained that this feature is there to ensure that, no matter what, the gun will go boom in an emergency. Tried it once - interesting but not great for accuracy.
Frag said:
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Frag said:
Feels very natural for me, only time you notice it is 'happening' is when you're thinking about it, but on the range, and I imagine in a defensive situation, your grip is simply naturally tight enough to #### it without thinking really. And as Uncle Walther said, once cocked initially, very little pressure is required to keep it that way. OK, I just picked one up to squeeze it a few times, and it doesn't take much effort in my opinion.
Frag said:
It's the fastest gun out of a holster you can find. The squeeze is unconscious and complete before the gun is pointed.
Then it's a nice light roll-off (rather than crisp) single action. I've shot 1.5" groups at 25 yards in slow fire, which for a gun with such a short sight radius is remarkable. Points naturally, feeds and fires anything.
It's also a very safe gun: in the holster, it's de-cocked. If you drop it, it will be de-cocked before it hits the ground. No levers to fool with.
The only downside is parts. HK hates civilians, and, in Canada especially, if you need service you'll have an ulcer before you're done.
And maybe heat. You could not complete an ISPC Black Badge course with this gun - the gas system gets quite hot right near the trigger with high volume shooting. I've heard of guys wearing gloves for that reason. For me, training and doing IDPA matches, it's OK (just watch where the trigger finger is placed after a long stage).
Mr.T said:
No one. I'm just making a point about how the P7M8/13 are great guns for most things, not everything.
In IDPA they're ESP, because they're considered single action. Given the 'stock' equipment and low round-count per stage, IDPA is a great home for the P7 series.
In the US, they would also be an excellent CCW gun. Here, they're just a joy to shoot.
