H&k p7

I just checked my M13 and it is W. Germany as well 73th serial, I have never checked the date.
The early PSP had two models, different mag latch.
I got a set of EXC walnut grips for it this spring from GRIPS4U out of the states and they are fully as good as Nill.
The wood grain is nicer than 2 sets of Nill I have seen.
They where out of stock for a couple years, just make a run and that is it for a while, low demand they say, good people it seemed like.
The M10 mags work great in a M13.
Only thing I have not done is shoot lead at steel with it as I wonder is the lead may plug the gas port up?
 
marshall said:
I just checked my M13 and it is W. Germany as well 73th serial, I have never checked the date.
The early PSP had two models, different mag latch.
I got a set of EXC walnut grips for it this spring from GRIPS4U out of the states and they are fully as good as Nill.
The wood grain is nicer than 2 sets of Nill I have seen.
They where out of stock for a couple years, just make a run and that is it for a while, low demand they say, good people it seemed like.
The M10 mags work great in a M13.
Only thing I have not done is shoot lead at steel with it as I wonder is the lead may plug the gas port up?
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Interesting that you should say that about Grips4u. I got grips for my Sig P210 from them and was very impressed. They are a little pricey the way the dollar is but very good quality and they fit like OEM.
 
marshall said:
I just checked my M13 and it is W. Germany as well 73th serial, I have never checked the date.
The early PSP had two models, different mag latch.
I got a set of EXC walnut grips for it this spring from GRIPS4U out of the states and they are fully as good as Nill.
The wood grain is nicer than 2 sets of Nill I have seen.
They where out of stock for a couple years, just make a run and that is it for a while, low demand they say, good people it seemed like.
The M10 mags work great in a M13.
Only thing I have not done is shoot lead at steel with it as I wonder is the lead may plug the gas port up?
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Late 1984 IE date code, last known # for that year is 73225. By the way 1984 was the first year for the M13 model. Early 1985 IF date code for higher numbered serial.
 
A completely over-rated gun.

H&K quit making this gun along with the P9S, the VP70Z, and moved on to other designs. The P7 was mostly a Liberal C68 prohibited 9 mm auto with a gas operated system. Expensive, no real advantages over a 5" 1911, mostly a "niche" auto, gas operated pistol, there are a multitude of 9mm & 40's that are better. Really...
 
Helsinki Cowboy said:
Something that wasn't covered is the classification . Are all the variations restricted or are there prohibited versions around ?
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Between two and three FRT#'s exists with each variations (luckily). Lots have been classified prohibs when the law hit us. The truth is that the barrel is a tad over 105mm but some verifiers rounded it off at 105mm and others rounded it off at 106mm back then. Since it didn't affect classification it was a non issue. Since the game has changed, most have been re-verified and corrected to 106mm with the available FRT's in the system.
 
Love my psp, It's one of my never sell guns. It's just different enough to be interesting, totally 100% reliable, and I prefer the squeeze cocker over the safety on the trigger ala glock. I managed to pick up a number of brand new factory mags for like $40 each, and I swear you could run over them with a car and they'd still work.
 
Have you owned on? I shot other guns more, but when I take this out it just feels right, But I like different stuff, I don't think I have a gun that is not all steel in the safe and there are more than a dozen in there.
Thanks Harry for the date, the # is 737**
I sold a nice surplus late PSP and I wish I has it back, feels nicer in the hand than the M13.
Back in the good old days, I bought a hard chrome (or nickle?) PSP when Amtec imported some from HK ,US ,I seem to remember they where 800-900.oo
I have verified a couple that where 12-6 and reclassified to rest., 106 and one 107mm
Marshall
BTW, has any one shot lead out of these?

hatman1793 said:
A completely over-rated gun.

H&K quit making this gun along with the P9S, the VP70Z, and moved on to other designs. The P7 was mostly a Liberal C68 prohibited 9 mm auto with a gas operated system. Expensive, no real advantages over a 5" 1911, mostly a "niche" auto, gas operated pistol, there are a multitude of 9mm & 40's that are better. Really...
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The P7 was an advanced development in handguns, likely 50 years ahead of its time. It is completely safe when holstered and not "cocked". It utilizes gross motor skills in it's operation. Funny that handguns didn't develop on the path of the advanced P7, fixed barrel, very, very low bore axis and completely ambidextrous. Other designs were just inferior cheaper ways of making guns and most manufacturers followed that path. HK strived to make quality, advanced radical designs and didn't care what the price was. In the end this path hurt them as price is such a large factor in the firearms market, especially in the US. Take for example: Scopes, Bushnell and Schmidt and Bender. One is a bit different than the other but who makes the most money?....by a huge margin!

Often those who comment on a particular firearm have never owned one or been issued one to truly compare it to other designs. Handling one for a few minutes in a gun store or trying someone's at the range for a few mags is not an honest evaluation of a design.
Here's another internet myth on the P7: it takes so much pressure to squeeze #### the gun (in defensive situations this effort will likely go un-noticed), what is often not explained is once the P7 is cocked the pressure to keep it cocked in very minimal...you can hold it cocked for extended periods of time with little effort at all.

P7 M13, one of my never sells.

Rich
 
You said it good Rich, You are right about the cocking, little finger will hold it in.
I have had people at the shows look at My HK's and say too much money, ( not that they are for sale, display) , a few days latter, they are on the phone nagging me to sell them, guess they googled?
Point is that maybe 10-20% of The people I deal with even know what they are, mind you this is cowboy country
 
Well, I broke down and took the plunge...just sent off the EMT for a P7 PSP roll marked "H&K HKI- Columbus GA" and "Made in W Germany" from the EE. Included were two mags, box, manual, takedown tool and cleaning rod. It's wearing wood grips and the plastic grips are also included. From the photo in the listing it looks like either a 6 or 8/87 production date. Now the CFO/CanadaPost wait begins.

Thanks for all the info and advice. it was very helpful.
 
sailor723 said:
Well, I broke down and took the plunge...just sent off the EMT for a P7 PSP roll marked "H&K HKI- Columbus GA" and "Made in W Germany" from the EE. Included were two mags, box, manual, takedown tool and cleaning rod. It's wearing wood grips and the plastic grips are also included. From the photo in the listing it looks like either a 6 or 8/87 production date. Now the CFO/CanadaPost wait begins.

Thanks for all the info and advice. it was very helpful.
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Saw that listing. Congratulations! Make sure you shoot jacketed ammo. Don't want the lead to foul up the gas system. You won't regret your purchase.
 
Congrats. That was a beauty. While I like them all (have an M8) I'm partial to the original P7s with the heal release. A clean compact design.
 
sailor723 said:
Thanks guys....I'm attracted to the fact it's the original European design before the alterations to suit the American market.
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Yes same with me. Also, I can't verify but it seemed to me that the original P7s (well the 2 I've tried so hardly a reliable sample) had nicer triggers than what I've experienced on the M8s and M13s. The samples were the former service guns imported several years ago so maybe they had smoothed out with a little extra use (those guns had holster wear but probably were not shot a lot i gather). Anyway that was just my recollection. I could be wrong.
 
gdawg, that is my impression as well the oldest ( poorest) one had a super trigger, think SW 41, Hi Standard Victor, had a later one that was refinished , not anywhere close.
I have to say that the mag release on my M13 is a work of art.
Most of my guns had heal release, colt woodsman, Hi standard , old sigp220, etc
 
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