H4198 and barnes bullet in 45-70

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Just want some opinions if anyone has experience with H4198 in 45-70 using 300grain barnes TSX.
Im considering working up some hunting loads but I thought I would get some opinions on this powder bullet combo first before a shoot lots of $$$ worth of coppers down range since these bullets don’t come cheap.
Also want to know how sensitive this powder is to temp’. keeping in mind that ill be hunting with this load in november.
 
I use cast 420 grain bullets, some flat base and some gas check.
With these bullets I have tried at least six differnt powders. None were what you would call bad, but the best heavier loads were with either 4895 or 4198.
I know there are several other powders that would do just as good. An easier to shoot, accurate load with the 420s was 33 grains of 4198.
I loaded five up with 43 grains of 4198, using a rest off the bench. It really flung my head around, and after three my head started to ache. I had loaded up the heavier loads to see if my 1 to 5 power scope would hold up.
Here is a picture of the five shots at 100 metres. This is a somewhat enlarged picture, but note by the ruler that even the flyer kept the group to 2 inches.
However, I have a quandry. I really don't know if my scope failed a bit, or did I pull it? I was quite sure I didn't pull it, because none looked off.
The next day my neck muscles were sore from the way it was snapping my head around.
That 45-70 Marlin is the most accurate lever action I have ever played with.
Something else, I didn't mention whether I was using Hodgdons's or IMR with the 4198 and 4895. I have both, but can make no distinction between the two brands.
I have tried 350 grain jacketed, but found them, accuracy wise, to be inferior to the heavier cast bullets.
This time Ben may even agree with me!
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In my Marlin 1895 GS using a 420gr GC bullet, sized 0.001" - 0.002" over bore daimeter, and using IMR 4198 or IMR 3031 I've obtained results similar to what H4831 has posted. With jacketed, either the Speer 400gr FN or the 405gr Remington and using the same powders, the accuracy has been even better yet. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try them out in the field this fall.
 
Bruce, i'm not gonna bite on this one either, lots of people will buy the most expensive bullet out there, regardless.
 
Firstly we need to know what gun you are shooting. The 45-70 has 3 pressure levels- 1. Trapdoor, 2. Marlin lever type, and 3. Modern ie. Browning 1885 and Ruger #1 etc. The "Modern" load will generate considerably more pressure than the lever load and the lever load will generate more pressure than a trapdoor load.
H 4198 is a good choice of powder and is not very sensitive to temperature changes. I have hunted moose in November and Plains Game in Africa without problems.

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The gun that im using will be a lever gun, marlin GG.

I have noticed in the past that using jacketed loads with the barnes bullets just doesn’t work.
I got remarkably lower velocities when trying to apply a copper jacketed bullet load using barnes bullets.

That is why im asking specifically about this bullet and powder combo’.
I saw on the barnes site that the most accurate loads for these bullets is actually the VV120.
Has anyone tried this?
 
I've loaded using H4198 and Nosler 300 gr. Partitions. Out of my Guide Gun they clocked just under 2100 fps, as I recall +4" @ 100 yds., zero @ 200 yds. A very nice load and killed a big black bear @ 180 yards(ranged) offhand using ghost ring sights, just held on the shoulder, bang, and the bear fell over with a groan, dead.
I had a box of the Barnes X's but my experience with their other bullets in other cals is that they copper the hell out of your barrel. Also, that great mossy hollow point on the .45 Barnes looked like a potential for poor penetration on bears wanting to share my kills, so I now load 420 gr. hardcast @ 1750 fps, but I've been thinking of going back to the 300 gr. Partition because I really liked the load for hunting, and the trajectory would be better out to 250 yds. than the 420 gr., but I'd rather have the 420 gr. up the pipe if'n I runs into a nasty bruin.
Can't offer anything on the TSX, except it's gone for #### the last year or more! :)
 
A couple guys I know that have used them on game (black bear/elk) report they hold together and penetrate very well.

In tests the 300gr Barnes and Nosler bullets outpenetrated many 400gr bullets( Remington, Speer) due to their tough constucion.

The other "preimum' 300gr bullet out there is the Speer 300gt Uni-Cor, hot-cor(?), whatever they call it. It holds together very well and is half the cost of the Barnes and discountiued Nosler.


Heres some reviews on the Barnes


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=330121


Cheers

Seabass
 
Seabass said:
A couple guys I know that have used them on game (black bear/elk) report they hold together and penetrate very well.

In tests the 300gr Barnes and Nosler bullets outpenetrated many 400gr bullets( Remington, Speer) due to their tough constucion.

The other "preimum' 300gr bullet out there is the Speer 300gt Uni-Cor, hot-cor(?), whatever they call it. It holds together very well and is half the cost of the Barnes and discountiued Nosler.


Heres some reviews on the Barnes


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=330121


Cheers

Seabass
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With jacketed bullets under 400grs, I briefly tried the Hornady 350gr RN and 350gr FP. I got better accuracy results with the Speer 400gr & Remington 405gr so that's what I went back to.

I hope to get the opportunity to try them out on 'the island' this fall and I'm guessing they shouldn't have any problem punching through Deer and Bear here;).
 
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