Had a winchester PCMR come into the shop today

[ArmedGinger]

Sadly someone "restored" it with what appears to be an armacoat job on the metal and either restored or replaced the wood. Rifle looks really nice but it's sort of a shame due to the history.

Boss is trying to figure out what we should sell it for. He's saying $1000, I'm not sure due to being "redone".

I can take some photos next week (don't have my camera on me today).

 

[mcminn]

I have seen them sell from $800-$1200 in the last year, depending on how complete and how close to original condition they are. I have also seen a refinished one sit at several gun shows at the $1000 mark and not sell. The way prices are going these days, it wouldn't surprise me if it sold for that kind of money.

 

[bearhunter]

Refinished???????????? $500 at most IMHO.

 

[ArmedGinger]

So after comparing this one to others, the front Sling band is missing and the rear sling loops appears to be a modern one as well.

Condition wise, comparing it to a brand new off the rack Winchester 94, they look the same. The barrel is near mint on this thing.

We will probably put it up for $1200 and see what happens. Worst case if it doesnt sell within the year we can drop the price.

Hell we have sold 4 or 5 really nice post 64 Winchesters for about $700-$900 so people are buying them but those were all original condition guns (IE less than 20 rounds fired through them).

 

[CMichaud]

The value would be in the original collector condition. Sounds like it has been completely reworked and beyond restorable.

If the wood has the C Broad arrow on butt and foreend and has not been redone there is value beyond a normal pre-64 winny. ie the wood could restock another marked receiver that has had the wood wrecked.

Based on your description I would agree with $500 valuation mostly due to the wood (if it is correct and stamped)

I am also assuming you are referring to a Model 94 vs 64. The PCMR had both

 

[ArmedGinger]

The value would be in the original collector condition. Sounds like it has been completely reworked and beyond restorable.

If the wood has the C Broad arrow on butt and foreend and has not been redone there is value beyond a normal pre-64 winny. ie the wood could restock another marked receiver that has had the wood wrecked.

Based on your description I would agree with $500 valuation mostly due to the wood (if it is correct and stamped)

I am also assuming you are referring to a Model 94 vs 64. The PCMR had both

Yes Model 94. The wood was replaced as there is no stampings on the wood.

So "CGN" value wise is $500 then we should be able to get about $800-$900 out of it

We sell post 64 wincester 94s for $400-500 with the bluing worn on most of the gun. Near mint post 64 we sell for around $800. Pre-64 M94 we get about $700-$900 for them depending on the condition. Never had a PCMR ever come into the shop though so I thought I'd better ask.

Ah well still a shame what was done to the poor gun.

 

[bearhunter]

Yes Model 94. The wood was replaced as there is no stampings on the wood.

So "CGN" value wise is $500 then we should be able to get about $800-$900 out of it

We sell post 64 wincester 94s for $400-500 with the bluing worn on most of the gun. Near mint post 64 we sell for around $800. Pre-64 M94 we get about $700-$900 for them depending on the condition. Never had a PCMR ever come into the shop though so I thought I'd better ask.

Ah well still a shame what was done to the poor gun.

You don't know when the refurb was done. Not that it much matters. Around 50 years ago those rifles commonly sold for $25 when in mint condition, with a government release/purchase receipt. Even in the seventies they didn't command a premium over other Winchester 94s.

One thing to realize, many of those rifles were ridden hard and put away wet. They suffered even more in the ensuing years. I saw one a few years ago in the back of a pick up truck on a local ranch. All beat to hell in the jockey box. Not a spec of finish on it and I don't believe the bore has been cleaned since WWII. The young fellow in the PU had no idea what it represented, other than that it had been riding around in pick up trucks ever since his Grampa brought it home from the Army. Yes, I did give him some history lessons pertaining to the rifle but I don't think he really cared. He liked his version better.