Quarterman2
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- Location
- In the mountains
Anyone try hammer bullets? What are your thoughts over Barnes or Hornady mono metal bullets?
Hammer bullets
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backdoorsally
CGN Regular
- Location
- South East Alberta
The barns and hornaday solids are formed in a die with a press still and then the bands are machined after
The hammer bullets are made entirely on a cnc machine. I think you get a better product and it’s easier to change things with the click of a mouse rather then having to make a bunch of new dies every time. Just that in its self makes it way easier to test and improve bullet design.
The hammer bullets are made entirely on a cnc machine. I think you get a better product and it’s easier to change things with the click of a mouse rather then having to make a bunch of new dies every time. Just that in its self makes it way easier to test and improve bullet design.
Hand Skills
CGN Regular
- Location
- In the 'heartland', southern SK
Hammers are different.
They are like nothing I have used before;
-very accurate and very easy to load for if you follow the twist rate recommendations.
-generally faster, than bullets of the same weight due to the extremely soft alloy and low bearing surface
The terminal performance is what keeps me coming back. Super consistent.
I've seen poor results with Barnes and with the Hornaday CMX when impact velocity starts to drop off. The Hammers shed their nose, which results in wound channels are larger and bleed faster.
Keep impact velocity high (3000-3500fps) and they all work great though.
Here is a fun thread if you like pictures (viewer discretion is advised
)
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...ts-terminal-performance-picture-heavy.218288/
They are like nothing I have used before;
-very accurate and very easy to load for if you follow the twist rate recommendations.
-generally faster, than bullets of the same weight due to the extremely soft alloy and low bearing surface
The terminal performance is what keeps me coming back. Super consistent.
I've seen poor results with Barnes and with the Hornaday CMX when impact velocity starts to drop off. The Hammers shed their nose, which results in wound channels are larger and bleed faster.
Keep impact velocity high (3000-3500fps) and they all work great though.
Here is a fun thread if you like pictures (viewer discretion is advised
)https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...ts-terminal-performance-picture-heavy.218288/
- Location
- Delta B.C.
I'm assuming you have seen some of the videos regarding how they work. They do require a higher twist rate than non monolithic copper bullets and many older guns won't shoot the heavier for caliber ones but some of the new caliber/cartridges and rifles love them. My .270 WSM 1 in 10 twist won't shoot the heavy ones but my 6.8 Western 1 in 7.5 absolutely loves them. Weatherby now offers factory loaded options. I'm sold on them, but only for the right gun/cartridge combo. Check out their Hammertime Forum for some graphic info on performance. Cheers
Quarterman2
New member
- Location
- In the mountains
Im familiar with how they work, Just wanted to hear from some people who might have actually used them. I dont like to go off of marketing because of course its just marketing.
Impact velocity at 3000-3500f/s? i guess they work fine if you put your muzzle on your deer???Hammers are different.
They are like nothing I have used before;
-very accurate and very easy to load for if you follow the twist rate recommendations.
-generally faster, than bullets of the same weight due to the extremely soft alloy and low bearing surface
The terminal performance is what keeps me coming back. Super consistent.
I've seen poor results with Barnes and with the Hornaday CMX when impact velocity starts to drop off. The Hammers shed their nose, which results in wound channels are larger and bleed faster.
Keep impact velocity high (3000-3500fps) and they all work great though.
Here is a fun thread if you like pictures (viewer discretion is advised
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...ts-terminal-performance-picture-heavy.218288/
Hand Skills
CGN Regular
- Location
- In the 'heartland', southern SK
When it comes to 'monos', most people seem to find that going light for caliber gives better terminal results.
Contrast this with typical 'cup-and-core' bullets which can really 'splash' and suffer from shallow penetration at impact velocities in excess of 3k fps. It's really two different worlds
Hammer came along and bridged the gap. They worked very hard to get good wound channels at 'standard' velocities.
#1 - upon impact, the nose fragments away from the base, giving a wider wound channel. Often these fragments exit
#2 - the bullet transitions from it's ballistic form to it's terminal form as quickly and consistently as possible. Based on the finding of Rathcoombe, a flat point 'wadcutter' shape creates the widest permanent wound channels, tearing rather than parting the tissue it passes through. Hammer worked with various hollow points and alloys to achieve the terminal form they do. The way the nose breaks away from the shank leaves a FLAT FACE (like a wadcutter) on the shank. Unlike other monos I've used, Hammers function well below 3000fps. Here are some mule deer lungs, impact velocity just over 2400fps. Absolutely wrecked.
I swore off of copper bullets for close to 20years. Hammers changed my mind - they are like the Nosler Partition of monos. Hammers offer very consistent terminal performance across a wide range of impact velocities. Consistent terminal performance and consistent accuracy, what's not to like?
(Edited to add - I have no affiliation with Hammer Bullets, just a satisfied customer!)
Edited again to add a link to the study referenced;
https://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/wound_ballistics_main.html
Contrast this with typical 'cup-and-core' bullets which can really 'splash' and suffer from shallow penetration at impact velocities in excess of 3k fps. It's really two different worlds
Hammer came along and bridged the gap. They worked very hard to get good wound channels at 'standard' velocities.
#1 - upon impact, the nose fragments away from the base, giving a wider wound channel. Often these fragments exit
#2 - the bullet transitions from it's ballistic form to it's terminal form as quickly and consistently as possible. Based on the finding of Rathcoombe, a flat point 'wadcutter' shape creates the widest permanent wound channels, tearing rather than parting the tissue it passes through. Hammer worked with various hollow points and alloys to achieve the terminal form they do. The way the nose breaks away from the shank leaves a FLAT FACE (like a wadcutter) on the shank. Unlike other monos I've used, Hammers function well below 3000fps. Here are some mule deer lungs, impact velocity just over 2400fps. Absolutely wrecked.
I swore off of copper bullets for close to 20years. Hammers changed my mind - they are like the Nosler Partition of monos. Hammers offer very consistent terminal performance across a wide range of impact velocities. Consistent terminal performance and consistent accuracy, what's not to like?
(Edited to add - I have no affiliation with Hammer Bullets, just a satisfied customer!)
Edited again to add a link to the study referenced;
https://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/wound_ballistics_main.html
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I plan on getting some 81gr and 100gr hammer bullets for my 257 weatherby, I should see 4000 fps from the 81gr's and 3750 fps from the 100's
I haven't used any yet but I've read a lot about them. They should hammer pretty good.
Even factory 100gr weatherby ammo is still above 3000fps at 200 yards
I haven't used any yet but I've read a lot about them. They should hammer pretty good.
Even factory 100gr weatherby ammo is still above 3000fps at 200 yards
- Location
- Delta B.C.
They ship directly to you or George's Shooting Shack has some. I have purchased them directly from Hammer. They can take some time to clear customs.
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First I’ve heard of GSS. Thanks.
Word of warning; GSS charges as much for shipping as the bullets cost.
