Hammerli Question

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Your comment is funny because my answer is true. The porting on your Hammerli and my Walther OSP is to reduce recoil also it reduces both the muzzle velocity and the energy imparted to the recoiling assembly. All of those are to make the recoil recovery that much faster. The discipline was called "Rapid fire" for a reason.

It should be noted that currently, pistols chambered in .22 short are no longer "legal" for this sort of competition. (Your "High end Olympic competition pistol" isn't)
 
Splatter is correct. While in Assinibioa last winter I was drooling over some-one's Walther, and various calibre conversion kits.

The displayed & ported 22 short barrel & slide are no longer called for in the rapid fire matches according to the owner.
 
Splatter is correct as when you are shooting Olympic rapid fire you have 5 turning targets that you shoot at ,first roud you have 8 seconds ,second set 6 ,and last round 4 seconds ,and taking as much as possible recoil of the gun helps alot! Now they have stopped using 22short and you can only use 22lr. now! Making all these guns obsolete for competition! I have a High Standard Olympic Rapid fire pistol and it shoots like a dream, but it has no more use at bullseye competitions anymore making them worthless to almost everyone! Great gun to start kids shooting though.cheers Dale Z
 
Hmm... seems there are some ISSF / bullseye shooters around BC I haven't met. I frequently hear about the number of ISSF pistols around, but at the competitions there seems to be a decreasing trend in number of shooters. :(
 
Splatter said:
Oh snap!

It's ok, #1bcshooter, Is there anything else I can help you with concerning your "High end Olympic competition pistol" that isn't?

Need a hand adjusting the trigger or anything like that?
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Wow .
I checked some of your responses to other threads
Seems you are a expert on everything
Thanks for your advice
Are you related to John at Marstar ?

ROFLMAO
 
zywina said:
Splatter is correct as when you are shooting Olympic rapid fire you have 5 turning targets that you shoot at ,first roud you have 8 seconds ,second set 6 ,and last round 4 seconds ,and taking as much as possible recoil of the gun helps alot! Now they have stopped using 22short and you can only use 22lr. now! Making all these guns obsolete for competition! I have a High Standard Olympic Rapid fire pistol and it shoots like a dream, but it has no more use at bullseye competitions anymore making them worthless to almost everyone! Great gun to start kids shooting though.cheers Dale Z
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Thanks
I'm not looking to compete with this old pistol .
My main question was about the 6 plugged holes ahead of the chamber top of the barrel .
I removed the plugs & cleaned the lead out to open them up .
I know they are for reducing recoil & since 22 short standard velocity or target ammo is not common .
I was hoping someone here that had one of these old guns would let me know how many they have open when shooting Regular 22 Short Hi Velocity .
In hopes of not destroying the slide . Or if the action would cycle with all plugs in using CB Shorts.
 
I'd suggest just opening them all, and trying it with the ammo you have.


That pretty much falls in line with tuning about any gas operated rifle that has the option of adjustment, where you start with the least effort applied to the action (gas block closed, or bleed open) and bring up the pressure until the action cycles reliably.
Gonna depend on the specific ammo.

Have you had a look on the Pilkguns Target Talk forum? There may be a manual there for it, too, on the tech info section of the Pilkguns site.
http://www.pilkguns.com/tenp/default.htm
Best of luck!

Cheers
Trev
 
#1bcshooter said:
Wow .
I checked some of your responses to other threads
Seems you are a expert on everything
Thanks for your advice
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You're welcome.

I'm more a student-of-everything; but, I try to share what little knowledge I've gained.

I can't answer the CB question (yet... Darn, why didn't I think of that?); however, I've read that even with all the ports open .22 short Hi-Vel gives more energy to the bolt than it was designed for, when it comes to my Walther. I would think that, given that one of the design goals for Rapid Fire pistols was to keep the reciprocating mass as low as possible, a similar condition would exist for all the similar pistols.
FWIW, I've had good success with having the local gunshop carry the CCI #0037 .22 Short Target, and it's pretty reasonably priced.
(that'd be Del Selin's in Vernon, if you're in the neighbourhood)
 
trevj said:
I'd suggest just opening them all, and trying it with the ammo you have.


That pretty much falls in line with tuning about any gas operated rifle that has the option of adjustment, where you start with the least effort applied to the action (gas block closed, or bleed open) and bring up the pressure until the action cycles reliably.
Gonna depend on the specific ammo.

Have you had a look on the Pilkguns Target Talk forum? There may be a manual there for it, too, on the tech info section of the Pilkguns site.
http://www.pilkguns.com/tenp/default.htm
Best of luck!

Cheers
Trev
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Didn't know about that site . Looks like lots of info there
I'll follow your suggestion with all open .
This gun had a cracked (alum) slide , I had a machine shop repair it so I'm hoping to keep the recoil to a minimum as replacement parts seem to be nonexistent
Can't find my model listed in there list must be really old
Thanks again for the link

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Splatter said:
You're welcome.

I'm more a student-of-everything; but, I try to share what little knowledge I've gained.

I can't answer the CB question (yet... Darn, why didn't I think of that?); however, I've read that even with all the ports open .22 short Hi-Vel gives more energy to the bolt than it was designed for, when it comes to my Walther. I would think that, given that one of the design goals for Rapid Fire pistols was to keep the reciprocating mass as low as possible, a similar condition would exist for all the similar pistols.
FWIW, I've had good success with having the local gunshop carry the CCI #0037 .22 Short Target, and it's pretty reasonably priced.
(that'd be Del Selin's in Vernon, if you're in the neighbourhood)
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Thanks I was at Del's recently & they had none . I'm going to try the CB's ports closed
 
Looks to be a Hammerli model International 210, great gun, but were is the adj. heel for the grip? Parts are hard to come by, but you may see if Sig or Sauer has parts available for it as they took over sales of this brand. PS do not ever put A-1 Czech 22short ammo( green box) threw your gun as this ammo is so hot that it blew the extractor out of my High Standard Olympic and few Walther GSP's that I have seen, please let us know how opening up the holes affects differrent ammmo function, cheers Dale Z
 
#1bcshooter said:
Thanks I was at Del's recently & they had none . I'm going to try the CB's ports closed
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I've run .22 CB shorts through an OSP I once owned. No problems with all ports open. Just don't expect the same accuracy as .22 short match ammo.

zywina said:
Looks to be a Hammerli model International 210, great gun, but were is the adj. heel for the grip? Parts are hard to come by, but you may see if Sig or Sauer has parts available for it as they took over sales of this brand...
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I noticed the palm shelf was missing from the photo too. I thought Walther took over Hammerli? Their products are listed online (www.carl-walther.de). But I don't believe they support the obsolete Hammerli products.
 
The holes are for "tuning" the gun to the ammunition. The idea is that you take out screws until the gun quits functioning, then replace that last one and the gun should both work and be at the minimum for muzzle jump on firing. Was considered most important for the 4 second series. I actually feel that ISSF made a grave error in turning to the 22lr as this seems to have killed the discipline, but then the TV guys insisted on the change. BTW the rapid fire gun, without the wraparound grip is legal for NRA Gallery (indoor 50 ft), and may still be competitive despite the accuracy loss of the 22 short.
Dr J
 
BCP said:
I've run .22 CB shorts through an OSP I once owned. No problems with all ports open. Just don't expect the same accuracy as .22 short match ammo.



I noticed the palm shelf was missing from the photo too. I thought Walther took over Hammerli? Their products are listed online (www.carl-walther.de). But I don't believe they support the obsolete Hammerli products.
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That picture is one I found on line. Mine looks to be the same model & has the complete grip . As for a replacement slide I have tried the manufacture & like others have said that model is long out of production no parts available specific to that model.
 
T&G said:
...I actually feel that ISSF made a grave error in turning to the 22lr as this seems to have killed the discipline, but then the TV guys insisted on the change...
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TV guys? I thought the ISSF wanted to encourage the discipline by brining over the standard pistol crowd, who already have .22LR pistols?

#1bcshooter said:
That picture is one I found on line. Mine looks to be the same model & has the complete grip...
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Good to hear your gun is complete.
 
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