Handgun Holster, what are they used for? (in canada)
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I don't see the harm in training really.
I did not hear of ranges not allowing holstering either, except with a mag in, or round in the chamber. That is simply stupid.
Those complaining about killing the sport.... well, if you think you are doing the sport a favor acting (in a private or public range) like a retard, then think again.
Over and out.
I did not hear of ranges not allowing holstering either, except with a mag in, or round in the chamber. That is simply stupid.
Those complaining about killing the sport.... well, if you think you are doing the sport a favor acting (in a private or public range) like a retard, then think again.
Over and out.
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True.. holster training should be available for anyone wanting it without a big production
I can go either way with mandatory "training" for holster use. There are a few important pointers to know, and not everyone has people around to teach those to them.
Most of us learned without a ND, and only some of us had to prove to a gun club that we were capable.
What I am actually against is unloading and showing clear while at a shooting range. During an event or not.
We're all adults. The point of proving to someone that you know how to use a holster, was so that you can be trusted to use a holster.
Why do we have to babysit ourselves by unloading our guns? I have never once seen a holstered pistol fire itself...
To go so far as calling that stupid is beyond me. You do realize that the police walk around all day long with loaded guns right? Gasp!!!
Why would a loaded firearm in a holster be stupid?
It should be decocked or with the safety on, that I agree to some extent, but unloaded?
If you're trained in knowing not to put your finger in the trigger, everyone who owns a PAL is trained on that, why is it stupid to have a holstered firearm?
Also we have to treat all firearms as if they are loaded. so them being unloaded or not is irrelevant, since in my mind all firearms are always loaded in all cases all the time and therefore treated as such.
You are comparing Police with people who rarely shoot and wanna play pistolero on Sunday morning?????
It's funny that you think that most 'sunday range shooters' are as qualify as police officers.
Since plastic surgeons are opening people up all day long, would you mind me doing some work on any of your relatives? I carve thanks giving turkey once a year so it should be ok.
It's funny that you think that most 'sunday range shooters' are as qualify as police officers.
Since plastic surgeons are opening people up all day long, would you mind me doing some work on any of your relatives? I carve thanks giving turkey once a year so it should be ok.
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Holstering a pistol may have been a difficult learning experience for you, but for some of us it was easy. We figure it is probably an easy task for others to learn as well.
I agree with what mikethebike said. We treat all guns as loaded. Anyone who doesn't can do plenty of damage without a holster...and should be educated on safe handling.
Sorry, I don't share your elitist attitude.
You mean like police officers who shoot at someone 19 times and hit nothing except neighbouring houses?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/06/21/14463471.html
Ok - this is just too much to remain on the sidelines.
You really believe it is stupid to carry loaded in a holster??? How do you complete draw and fire drills at your range without a mag in and round in the chamber?
Everyone including those who have taken handgun training / holster certification are laughing at you now.
You must be a real yard sale on the range if you can only be trusted to holster unloaded....
Do you actually know how much police shoot? I deal with police everyday and have talked to them alot about this. Most officers dont shoot until a week before they requalify. There are some cops that do shoot as a hobby as well but the number of cops that are rrecreational shooters vs those that arnt are very one sided. Your average shooter and enthusiast will be more proficient with firearms then your avaerage cop.
You want to be treated differently, that is elitism.
Respect other peoples' lives and behave properly in a public space. Period.
At the firing line due as you wish, follow safety rules and go at it, I thought I was clear that I was referring that some people like to walk around the shooting range with loaded weapons, why? what for? this in unsafe and uneducated behaviour.
I don't care who you are or what training you do or don't have, I can't read your mind, I don't know if you treat guns as loaded or you are playing commando. Play safe, you are not training for your life you do not need a loaded gun while walking around in a shooting range. Do I really need to be that specific? Is that the common sense you deal with on daily basis? If so then you will need to review your common sense skills.
Respect others.
Your attempt at trying to offend me makes no sense. I am just talking about proper range etiquette.
1 week ago I had to re do a safety course because I have switched shooting ranges, although not needed I had to do it, no problem with that. One of the topics we discussed throughout the session was holstering, not holster training but holster use. Some ranges allow the shooter to carry, some do not. This one does, and the reason why is so you don't leave your pistol at the table if you need to go to the washroom or similar, they do address the fact that you have to have your pistol unloaded with an empty chamber and no magazine while carrying. Period.
If you are an experienced shooter, and the range you shoot at allows you carry a loaded weapon, power to you. One question to you, what happens when a NEW member arrives and sees you carrying a loaded weapon, how would you expect HIM to react to that and what would you say if this NEW guy start carrying a loading pistol 5 minutes later after he arrived, you don't know who he is nor the training he has, he starts loading a pistol away then he goes off to buy a burger next to your kid/wife/dog who were eating a sandwich.
How do you control and separate the ones with training and qualifications from the ones with no credentials or training, no practice, John Doe shooting his mark III he just bought used here?
Guess what, you can't, therefore we have standardized rules to avoid this type of scenarios.
Respect other peoples' lives and behave properly in a public space. Period.
At the firing line due as you wish, follow safety rules and go at it, I thought I was clear that I was referring that some people like to walk around the shooting range with loaded weapons, why? what for? this in unsafe and uneducated behaviour.
I don't care who you are or what training you do or don't have, I can't read your mind, I don't know if you treat guns as loaded or you are playing commando. Play safe, you are not training for your life you do not need a loaded gun while walking around in a shooting range. Do I really need to be that specific? Is that the common sense you deal with on daily basis? If so then you will need to review your common sense skills.
Respect others.
Your attempt at trying to offend me makes no sense. I am just talking about proper range etiquette.
1 week ago I had to re do a safety course because I have switched shooting ranges, although not needed I had to do it, no problem with that. One of the topics we discussed throughout the session was holstering, not holster training but holster use. Some ranges allow the shooter to carry, some do not. This one does, and the reason why is so you don't leave your pistol at the table if you need to go to the washroom or similar, they do address the fact that you have to have your pistol unloaded with an empty chamber and no magazine while carrying. Period.
If you are an experienced shooter, and the range you shoot at allows you carry a loaded weapon, power to you. One question to you, what happens when a NEW member arrives and sees you carrying a loaded weapon, how would you expect HIM to react to that and what would you say if this NEW guy start carrying a loading pistol 5 minutes later after he arrived, you don't know who he is nor the training he has, he starts loading a pistol away then he goes off to buy a burger next to your kid/wife/dog who were eating a sandwich.
How do you control and separate the ones with training and qualifications from the ones with no credentials or training, no practice, John Doe shooting his mark III he just bought used here?
Guess what, you can't, therefore we have standardized rules to avoid this type of scenarios.
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Chuckbuster
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I don't know where you shoot, or have shot in the past, but I have been a member of several gun clubs over the years. In all that time, I have never seen ordinary people walk away from the firing line or walk around with a loaded and holstered firearm. I don't even see people walking around with unloaded and holstered firearms. The only people I have seen walking around the premises with presumably loaded firearms were out of uniform LEOs. I say out of uniform because as far as I could tell, they were not on the job and were at the range to shoot recreationally or practice on their own time.
I understand that.
I have been shooting with the same guys for a couple years now, we never handle or carry a loaded pistol, doing so will be a considered a big BIG safety concern and most likely you will be disqualified from that practice or match, you will be welcomed again next weekend but you will need to go home that day.
That is standard for most shooting sports such as IDPA, IPSC or similar.
We take this seriously because we want to preserve the sport and the occasional accident or ND will/might enable the CFO to ban that specific sport from that specific range, along with the member's membership and ATT.
I don't know where you guys shoot, but if you really enjoy the sport the best way to preserve it is by playing safe, not only for the game but also because we are all friends and we don't want to accidentally hurt anybody.
No matter how trained you are, the more proficient you are, the more you push your limits, your chances for an accident increase exponentially because you get confident and faster with your skills (this happens in any sport, specially extreme sports such as biking, racing, parachuting, snowboarding, skiing, etc).
When you are pushing your performance limits, specially if you are in a competitive mind set, reaching peak performance will require that you are confident of your skills, to be confident of you skills you will require training and you want to train yourself in the best way possible for your actions to be consistent every time. You don't want to learn unsafe habits that will get you disqualified from matches because a finger on the trigger will do so, so does sweeping your foot while holstering, breaking the 180 rule, and so on.
We are protecting the sport, we want to have fun and we want to shoot at our peak performance, at least I do and I try my best by understanding and following the games rules for my and everybody else's safety.
I have been shooting with the same guys for a couple years now, we never handle or carry a loaded pistol, doing so will be a considered a big BIG safety concern and most likely you will be disqualified from that practice or match, you will be welcomed again next weekend but you will need to go home that day.
That is standard for most shooting sports such as IDPA, IPSC or similar.
We take this seriously because we want to preserve the sport and the occasional accident or ND will/might enable the CFO to ban that specific sport from that specific range, along with the member's membership and ATT.
I don't know where you guys shoot, but if you really enjoy the sport the best way to preserve it is by playing safe, not only for the game but also because we are all friends and we don't want to accidentally hurt anybody.
No matter how trained you are, the more proficient you are, the more you push your limits, your chances for an accident increase exponentially because you get confident and faster with your skills (this happens in any sport, specially extreme sports such as biking, racing, parachuting, snowboarding, skiing, etc).
When you are pushing your performance limits, specially if you are in a competitive mind set, reaching peak performance will require that you are confident of your skills, to be confident of you skills you will require training and you want to train yourself in the best way possible for your actions to be consistent every time. You don't want to learn unsafe habits that will get you disqualified from matches because a finger on the trigger will do so, so does sweeping your foot while holstering, breaking the 180 rule, and so on.
We are protecting the sport, we want to have fun and we want to shoot at our peak performance, at least I do and I try my best by understanding and following the games rules for my and everybody else's safety.
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I'm still trying to figure out how a loaded gun in a holster is any different from an unloaded gun in a holster, and how they guy who shoots a beat to hell M&P is an elitist when he believes that everyone should be treated equally. It's especially rich when coming from an HK fanboy. The more training you get from professionals, the more you realize club level 'safety courses' are a waste of both time and money. Try taking a real course, or two, or three, maybe that will change your mind.
It's like people who think they know what they're doing because they're a certified tech. That just means you passed some tests, doesn't mean you actually understand what is happening.
Like somebody said - "Only on CGN ...."
We seem to be divided on the topic - those that think it's a safe and prudent practice to require a modicum of training on holsters to cover legal/moral requirements and those who think it an "elitist" policy with no validity. Some of these arguments are specious at best and paraphrasing Shakespeare - "Methinks they do protest too much.", especially those that can't make their point without flaming the other guy and insulting those with a different opinion.
We can throw sand in each other's faces forever on this, but the fact is, most ranges in BC are headed this way, if not there already. I expect this policy to become widespread in other provinces as well. If it wasn't based on a real need, it wouldn't be happening.
One holster type that has been outright banned ay our club under ANY circumstances are those under-the-armpit shoulder rigs with the muzzle pointing straight back. I see them being sold locally which means someone is buying them. They have a 'way kool' "Miami Vice" look to them, but we don't want them worn at our range.
We seem to be divided on the topic - those that think it's a safe and prudent practice to require a modicum of training on holsters to cover legal/moral requirements and those who think it an "elitist" policy with no validity. Some of these arguments are specious at best and paraphrasing Shakespeare - "Methinks they do protest too much.", especially those that can't make their point without flaming the other guy and insulting those with a different opinion.
We can throw sand in each other's faces forever on this, but the fact is, most ranges in BC are headed this way, if not there already. I expect this policy to become widespread in other provinces as well. If it wasn't based on a real need, it wouldn't be happening.
One holster type that has been outright banned ay our club under ANY circumstances are those under-the-armpit shoulder rigs with the muzzle pointing straight back. I see them being sold locally which means someone is buying them. They have a 'way kool' "Miami Vice" look to them, but we don't want them worn at our range.
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