Handgun Holster, what are they used for? (in canada)

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maetsack said:
So I gotta say I find this thread a little ridiculous

We teach holster certification at our club and anyone who thinks it is about wearing a plastic holder on your waist and it ends there is an idiot.

If you are using a holster, chances are you are using it as part of a group of holster qualified shooters. This means you need to understand an advanced set of range commands, proper draw, load and unload techniques, movement protocols, etc. Wearing and using the holster is about 10% of what you need to demonstrate to proved competent holster usage and saying that ACTS and PROVE covers it just shows how completely ignorant you are on the subject. Buying a holster doesn't qualify you to use it safely and effectively anymore than buying a precision rifle makes you a sniper.

There is nothing exclusive or elite about this and there is nothing simple about wearing and using a holster.
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I'm sorry, it is simple, and it begins and ends with safety. If someone isn't safe I don't want to be at the range with them. Whether you're unsafely placing your gun on a bench or in your holster, you're either safe or not.

I have no holster certification, I use it every time I'm at the range. I doubt there's ANYTHING your course could teach me that I don't already know about safety. Quickdraw? Maybe, but I'm not interested in that. My friends and I do a cease fire, guns are cleared and holstered. When range is active, guns can be loaded. Simple. Don't shoot yourself in the foot and always point the gun in a safe direction, then I show them a video of tex grebner and I'm comfortable with someone using a holster.
 
J_Scott said:
I'm sorry, it is simple, and it begins and ends with safety. If someone isn't safe I don't want to be at the range with them. Whether you're unsafely placing your gun on a bench or in your holster, you're either safe or not.

I have no holster certification, I use it every time I'm at the range. I doubt there's ANYTHING your course could teach me that I don't already know about safety. Quickdraw? Maybe, but I'm not interested in that. My friends and I do a cease fire, guns are cleared and holstered. When range is active, guns can be loaded. Simple. Don't shoot yourself in the foot and always point the gun in a safe direction, then I show them a video of tex grebner and I'm comfortable with someone using a holster.
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That's nice, when you run your gun loaded to and from the holster then comment on the topic. As for safety, there are four rules and only four rules. As for using a holster safely, it takes zero effort as long as you're well versed in the fundamental four. Using a holster efficiently takes training and practice.

Tdc
 
If you're going to inject logic, reasoning and common sense into the discussion, how do you expect the d!psh!tz to rebut? That's not fair.

TDC said:
That's nice, when you run your gun loaded to and from the holster then comment on the topic. As for safety, there are four rules and only four rules. As for using a holster safely, it takes zero effort as long as you're well versed in the fundamental four. Using a holster efficiently takes training and practice.

Tdc
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TDC said:
That's nice, when you run your gun loaded to and from the holster then comment on the topic. As for safety, there are four rules and only four rules. As for using a holster safely, it takes zero effort as long as you're well versed in the fundamental four. Using a holster efficiently takes training and practice.

Tdc
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I don't recall saying I didn't run my gun loaded to and from the holster. You reading something that's not there?

This topic is not about quickdraw, so I can comment. If the topic was about how fast you can draw from your holster, then yeah, I'd keep my mouth shut. But we are talking only about why Canadians use holsters, which turned into how to use a holster safely, which doesn't require a course.

Talk about needing to spell it out for you. Geeze.
 
J_Scott said:
I don't recall saying I didn't run my gun loaded to and from the holster. You reading something that's not there?

This topic is not about quickdraw, so I can comment. If the topic was about how fast you can draw from your holster, then yeah, I'd keep my mouth shut. But we are talking only about why Canadians use holsters, which turned into how to use a holster safely, which doesn't require a course.

Talk about needing to spell it out for you. Geeze.
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Reread your post I quoted. "my friends and do a cease fire, guns are CLEARED and holstered".

Quick draw is a specific discipline, drawing from the holster quickly when competing in an action shooting event, training, or simply trying to improve ones skillset is entirely different.

Tdc
 
hercster said:
Stick around Mr Maetsack; it gets worser and worser. You must be old, retired and a fudd just like a few of us. Try hitting your thumb with a hammer a few times and you can zone out.
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Why don't you follow through with what you said and stop posting in this thread, or do your words have no meaning?
 
TDC said:
Reread your post I quoted. "my friends and do a cease fire, guns are CLEARED and holstered".

Quick draw is a specific discipline, drawing from the holster quickly when competing in an action shooting event, training, or simply trying to improve ones skillset is entirely different.

Tdc
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So because I said I clear my firearm before holstering during a ceasefire, you took that to mean that I don't run my firearm loaded to and from the holster. I guess you stopped reading there. *sigh* I also said, and I QUOTE "When range is active, guns can be loaded"

Personally, If I'm the RO I don't care if guns are loaded and in the holster during a ceasefire, but the guys I shoot with are more comfortable with mags out and gun cleared. So whatever makes them at ease, they're newer shooters.
 
J_Scott said:
So because I said I clear my firearm before holstering during a ceasefire, you took that to mean that I don't run my firearm loaded to and from the holster. I guess you stopped reading there. *sigh* I also said, and I QUOTE "When range is active, guns can be loaded"

Personally, If I'm the RO I don't care if guns are loaded and in the holster during a ceasefire, but the guys I shoot with are more comfortable with mags out and gun cleared. So whatever makes them at ease, they're newer shooters.
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When I'm teaching someone to drive, I make sure the fuel tank is empty because they might be scared it will explode.
 
NavyCuda said:
Why don't you follow through with what you said and stop posting in this thread, or do your words have no meaning?
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I must admit. I didn't clear my subscription. What keeps me coming back is the depth of the brilliance on the part of a few posters. I keep thinking that the many many posts should have introduced some gradual moderation of .... I can't continue... I'll unsubscribe now. The thread is all yours. I have learned a few things though and am grateful.
 
NavyCuda said:
When I'm teaching someone to drive, I make sure the fuel tank is empty because they might be scared it will explode.
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LOL I see your point, remember I'm on your side here.

These guys were a bunch of anti's before I got them to the range, so give me a break. I'm making progress.... albeit slowly. They're still fudly. ;)
 
J_Scott said:
LOL I see your point, remember I'm on your side here.

These guys were a bunch of anti's before I got them to the range, so give me a break. I'm making progress.... albeit slowly. They're still fudly. ;)
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I try to keep my world as black and white as possible, so I wouldn't let irrational fears dictate how I teach someone.

After years of trying I took an old timer who had turned fuddish to the range, before long he was doing mag dumps with the 9mm. He didn't put much ammo through, but he did enjoy it. What he enjoyed more was watching a group of people safely enjoying themselves and having fun together. He never came out to the range again, but it was enough for him to realize what a joke our firearms laws are.
 
J_Scott said:
So because I said I clear my firearm before holstering during a ceasefire, you took that to mean that I don't run my firearm loaded to and from the holster. I guess you stopped reading there. *sigh* I also said, and I QUOTE "When range is active, guns can be loaded"

Personally, If I'm the RO I don't care if guns are loaded and in the holster during a ceasefire, but the guys I shoot with are more comfortable with mags out and gun cleared. So whatever makes them at ease, they're newer shooters.
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Straight ignorance right there. That kind of behavior breeds the double standard for safety. That kind of behavior is what leads to people being shot with an "unloaded" firearm. If your people aren't comfortable with a holstered firearm in their presence then they shouldn't be handling them at all. A holstered firearm is far safer than one in the hand, but I guess that kind of common sense and logic is lost on some.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
Straight ignorance right there. That kind of behavior breeds the double standard for safety. That kind of behavior is what leads to people being shot with an "unloaded" firearm. If your people aren't comfortable with a holstered firearm in their presence then they shouldn't be handling them at all. A holstered firearm is far safer than one in the hand, but I guess that kind of common sense and logic is lost on some.

Tdc
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Let me ask you this, what is safer: Walking with a knife in your hand, or walking with a knife in its sheath on your belt?
 
TDC said:
Straight ignorance right there. That kind of behavior breeds the double standard for safety. That kind of behavior is what leads to people being shot with an "unloaded" firearm. If your people aren't comfortable with a holstered firearm in their presence then they shouldn't be handling them at all. A holstered firearm is far safer than one in the hand, but I guess that kind of common sense and logic is lost on some.

Tdc
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You're entitled to your opinion, but teaching everyone to clear their firearms during a ceasefire isn't a bad practice in my books, and hardly breeds unsafe handling practices. Remember, not EVERYONE has holsters, so we use the same rules for everyone during a ceasefire: Clear your firearm, put them on the bench or in your holster, then you're good to check your targets. Also, I never said the guys aren't comfortable with a loaded and holstered firearm in their presence, just they prefer all firearms to be cleared during a ceasefire. Damn, you need reading lessons.

Also, I don't know why you guys are arguing with me. I'm not the one advocating that only "qualified" users should have holsters.
 
What happened to treating all firearms like they are loaded at all times? I thought that was the golden safety rule? If that is the case does that not make clearing it redundant?
 
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