Handgun Hunting (positive posts only. NO #####ing!)

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So now that the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of us want to see handgun hunting in Canada, as shown by a poll in another thread, the next step is to make it happen.
I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread, as the other one went horribly off track, and is now over 50 pages long, mostly a messy pissing match.:mad:

So, with that in mind, lets hear some positive, clever ideas on how to make this a reality.

--we should contact the Wildlife federation in each province, and ask what their official position is. If it is not favourable (either against, or no policy), members in that province should make it a goal to get a motion passed at the next AGM.

--I believe there is an all party outdoors/wildlife/hunting/etc group in Ottawa, made up of MP's from all parties. Does anyone know more about this? Can we touch base with them?

--Someone in the other thread mentioned that hunter numbers are a way down. I know they are in BC, and the government would like to see more hunters (hunter revenue, mostly!). Work this angle.

I know you guys can come up with many more ideas!
 
I've long been an advocate of the idea of handgun hunting. To make it a reality starts with the following in IMHO.. I don't have the actual wording in front of me but as it stands now the OPP aswell as a lot of the other police associations have written into the teachings at the academy to treat each visual sighting of a short arm the same way. I had the pages of policy pointed out to me sometime ago by a reasonably high ranking local OPP, there are many pages, but in short it says that an officer is upon seeing a restricted weapon in a place aside from dwelling,approved range,etc,etc to make him or herself ready by whatever means possible for iminent danger. Now I'm not being negetive...The post did say stay in reality. OK, the reality that a long standing policy like that would not only have to leave the books, but leave the mindsets. Therefore I think the first MUST is getting that of paper and out of heads for garaunteed, cause the first time a cop acts in that manner the whole effort has been retarded 30 years. I'll give you the example that was given me by that copper. I'm out on a thousand acre farm with handgun blasting a hog or two, I may have even unloaded the gun to return home, a passing cruiser sees me, stops, asks me what I'm doing, for some reason theres bad communication, wind etc, he draws his arm, just no good...Dealling with 80 yrs of "short gun bad" has to come off the coppers policy papers and outta the minds of locals that see you. I think thats where it must start, and even starting it there may benefit your children later on, but I think the mindset is to deep to benefit that generation that changes it.
 
blindside said:
I had the pages of policy pointed out to me sometime ago by a reasonably high ranking local OPP, there are many pages, but in short it says that an officer is upon seeing a restricted weapon in a place aside from dwelling,approved range,etc,etc to make him or herself ready by whatever means possible for iminent danger.

This is a non issue.... with a little education on the part of the police and the public.
We travel with handguns now in Canada... we are issued Authorization To Transport Papers and the handguns are in locked cases until we reach our destination.That would be the obvious and likely scenario for taking a handgun hunting. It would be no problem using the existing legislation and rules in a hunting application.

Deer populations are exploding across the country another gun season can only help control the numbers.
 
Get some facts. Contrary to popular belief, you can't handgun hunt everywhere in the US, however where it is happening stats exist, and lessons have been learned. A comparison is not always "apples to apples", but a good indicator of how it could be implemented here. For example:

- Where is it permitted, and why those places and not others?
- Safety record? How many accidents (due to it being a handgun).
- Number of hunters, revenue generated?
- What do there regulations look like? Would they be consistent with ours?
- recent US experiences in opening up new handgun hunting zones
 
BIGREDD said:
This is a non issue.... with a little education on the part of the police and the public.

How bout we just change one part of what you said. The little education to a lot. Theres rural people here that still dont practise or for that matter even know the ins and outs of safe storage. How many laws ago was that? How much info has been put out? Never mind the coppers I can tell you sure as my next breath that theres places here where if you walked out of the bush with a shorty within certain folks eyeshot, you'd best hope one of two things,1 you communicate with him and give him a full understanding in about one second(I wish you luck with that one) 2 his shotty only has bird shot in it. Folk are of different mentallities in different locations. Changing those mentallities happens at different rates. We got folk here that hunt foul on water religiously with lead, think crossbows are illegal. Not going to turn this into a #####,we've been asked not to. We've also been asked to stay on reality though...
 
In as much as I would LOVE to see handgun hunting here in Canada, the fact remains this is CANADA and being 51 yrs old, I will not live long enough to see this becoming a reality here in our country.

The U.S. are a pro-gun society. Canadians are NOT. Guns are evil and people who own them are wackos. They want to take away our hunting weapons...
When was the last time a bank was held up using a 300 Win Mag or a 12 guage O/U? The majority of folks don't see the validity of owning handguns in Canada.
 
Griffoneur said:
In as much as I would LOVE to see handgun hunting here in Canada, the fact remains this is CANADA and being 51 yrs old, I will not live long enough to see this becoming a reality here in our country.

The U.S. are a pro-gun society. Canadians are NOT. Guns are evil and people who own them are wackos. They want to take away our hunting weapons...
When was the last time a bank was held up using a 300 Win Mag or a 12 guage O/U? The majority of folks don't see the validity of owning handguns in Canada.


Unfortunately thats the up shot. As much as some folk are pro gun. Like I said they despise it so much their not even keeping with laws that came out ten laws ago. Those same people will through down on you if you have a shorty in hand. Its an evil people killer,in their minds period
 
blindside said:
How bout we just change one part of what you said. The little education to a lot. Theres rural people here that still dont practise or for that matter even know the ins and outs of safe storage. How many laws ago was that? How much info has been put out? Never mind the coppers I can tell you sure as my next breath that theres places here where if you walked out of the bush with a shorty within certain folks eyeshot, you'd best hope one of two things,1 you communicate with him and give him a full understanding in about one second(I wish you luck with that one) 2 his shotty only has bird shot in it. Folk are of different mentallities in different locations. Changing those mentallities happens at different rates. We got folk here that hunt foul on water religiously with lead, think crossbows are illegal. Not going to turn this into a #####,we've been asked not to. We've also been asked to stay on reality though...

Moot point. By time any of us walk into the bush with a handgun, the controversy that has been stirred up will make everyone well aware of what you are doing.

In an effort to make more people aware of what is going on, I'm going for coffee.....;) :D
 
I think that if the folks who currently go to the US or other places to handgun hunt could document their experience that would go along way to gaining support for handgun hunting here. Those of who currently do not hold ATC's should probably apply for them. If enough people are legally carrying handguns in the bush already, the next step would be to drop the wording on the ATC that the firearm may only be drawn from it's holster when the holder of the permit believes his life is in danger.
 
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There are no restrictions to pistol hunting provincially here in Newfoundland, just calibre and power guidelines. The issue is getting an ATT to have your pistol in the woods.

We've got a excellent staff at the CFO, and this place is about as gun/hunting friendly as it comes. I think the CFO's hands would be tied though when it comes to direction on issueing ATTs, so a federal issue. Doesn't C68 preclude handgun hunting (range use only)? Would the CFO be allowed to issue an ATT for this if she wanted to? Would federal law have to change first?
 
I remember hearing awhile ago, that disabled people could handgun hunt, Iam not sure if its true but if so looking at their provisions might be interesting. As well we would have to get the way our ATT's work changed. I can go to the range with my gun but cant stop at a gunsmith or dealer that is on the way so stopping on crown land to hunt would be a no go as well. But Hand gun hunting sounds great to me, Id do it.
 
dangertree said:
There are no restrictions to pistol hunting provincially here in Newfoundland, just calibre and power guidelines. The issue is getting an ATT to have your pistol in the woods.

We've got a excellent staff at the CFO, and this place is about as gun/hunting friendly as it comes. I think the CFO's hands would be tied though when it comes to direction on issueing ATTs, so a federal issue. Doesn't C68 preclude handgun hunting (range use only)? Would the CFO be allowed to issue an ATT for this if she wanted to? Would federal law have to change first?

Well your local CO would be a good place to start. Go chat with them on the issue. Ask if they would support it if the federal regs were changed. Gather some intel for us to work with. We need to start somewhere.
 
dangertree said:
There are no restrictions to pistol hunting provincially here in Newfoundland, just calibre and power guidelines. The issue is getting an ATT to have your pistol in the woods.

We've got a excellent staff at the CFO, and this place is about as gun/hunting friendly as it comes. I think the CFO's hands would be tied though when it comes to direction on issueing ATTs, so a federal issue. Doesn't C68 preclude handgun hunting (range use only)? Would the CFO be allowed to issue an ATT for this if she wanted to? Would federal law have to change first?


Thats my understanding of it also.
Now if we can get a few provinces to state in the regs that NO provincial law prohibits HGH, only federal law, then the feds no longer can say
"why should we change our rules, the provinces dont allow it?"

BC and Alberta are probably good places to start, and if you say NF&L are gun friendly also, all the better.
 
RHall said:
I remember hearing awhile ago, that disabled people could handgun hunt, Iam not sure if its true but if so looking at their provisions might be interesting. As well we would have to get the way our ATT's work changed. I can go to the range with my gun but cant stop at a gunsmith or dealer that is on the way so stopping on crown land to hunt would be a no go as well. But Hand gun hunting sounds great to me, Id do it.

This article was originally posted on Handgun Hunter magazine.

I found it when I was Googling for HGH info

Handguns For Disabled Hunters?
by Harry Marsh

The last day of July, 1988 was the last day of my "normal life". I was involved in a head on automobile accident that very nearly killed me and I spent the next 8 months in the hospital and endured 13 surgical operations in an attempt to put me back together in somewhat the same fashion that I was in prior to the accident.

Upon leaving the hospital in April of 1989 I was confined to a wheelchair, maybe for the rest of my life. I thought that perhaps my hunting and fishing that I loved was forever beyond my reach. After extensive physical therapy and a whole lot of help and understanding from my bride, I was eventually able to walk short distances with the assistance of a cane. Neither my orthopedic surgeon nor my physical therapist thought it was a great idea. My right foot was left paralyzed and my left leg is now approximately 3 inches shorter than my right leg.


I also have lost the use of some of the muscles in my legs due to the spinal cord injury I sustained in the accident. My balance is very poor and consequently I fall a lot. Fortunately, I have been able to fall without serious injury, SO FAR!

I began to entertain the idea that maybe I could launch, retrieve and fish out of a small aluminum bass boat, so I purchased one. After a trial and error period I was able to devise a method to be able to once again bass fish! I wear my life jacket all the time just in case I should fall out of the boat! After a few successful years of fishing I began to entertain the idea that maybe I could hunt as well.

I had always wanted to take a Wild Turkey, but when I was growing up in Kentucky during the 50's there were few if any turkeys to be had. A number of years ago the National Wild Turkey Federation was formed and now primarily through their efforts Wild turkeys are now abundant throughout the country. I didn't know if I could enter the woods carrying a shotgun and get back far enough in the woods to have a chance of taking a turkey. I was determined to try. I had absolutely nothing to hunt with. I purchased a shotgun, camo clothing, boots, turkey calls and videos on how to use them and proceeded to drive my wife nuts practicing on my calls. Opening day of the turkey season here in Florida I nearly succeeded in taking one but a rookie mistake on my part blew it. Opening day of the next year I called in and harvested a nice Gobbler. Well, if that was possible maybe I could deer hunt as well!

I entered the drawing for a three day disabled deer hunt put on by the Eglin Air Force base on their massive grounds and was able to take my first buck, a little 3 point, with the aid and help of my Son-in-law and his borrowed 30-06 Browning deer rifle. A couple of my friends where I worked talked me into joining a Wildlife Management area here in the Pensacola area of Florida. I am unable to safely climb a ladder stand so I hunted out of a ground blind built by my friends. They would carry my newly bought Ruger 7mm Remington Magnum, folding chair and borrowed shooting stick and set up my blind while I was dragging along behind having to stop now and then to rest.

Once they got me all fixed up they would go get into their blinds. I was able to take an 8 point from that blind. Of course they had to go drag it in, hang it, skin and butcher it for me. What friends! Two years ago I purchased a pop-up blind to hunt out of. Larry Maxwell one of my hunting buddies owns a number of firearms including handguns. I shot one of his Contenders at the range one day and it dawned on me that this was the perfect firearm for me to hunt with. I traded Larry my deer rifle for one of his scoped contenders in 30-30 caliber. I went to the range and found a load that was pretty accurate. This last year I hunted with it but did not get a shot.


I decided that this was the only way for me to go and I sold all of my long guns and purchased a 7/30 Waters barrel and a 3X12 Burris scope. As soon as I get it all together I will go to the range and get as proficient with it as I can prior to this years hunting season. I bought a bandoleer type holster and belt for it and it will be a lot easier to drag around out in the woods.

I wrote this article for a couple of reasons. The first is to encourage other disabled hunters to consider using the Contender or Encore to hunt with. They are a WHOLE lot easier to pack around, extremely fun to shoot, and open new avenues to hunting and shooting. One of the problems I was encountering with the long gun was changing positions in my cramped little blind. It has numerous "gun ports" in it and trying to change positions from port to another with the gun and shooting stick was difficult to say the least. Those of you who are mobility impaired will know exactly what I'm talking about.
This is the position I use when hunting out of my blind. My cane is resting on top of my foot. A shooting stick would probably be better but it would be one more thing to carry into the woods.

I place my cane on top of one of my feet, place my left hand on top of the cane and then rest the Contender on my hand. Using this method I can get a very steady rest and shift from port to port with little difficulty with the shorter handgun.

My hunting areas include piney woods which will limit my shots to fairly short range and clear cuts which might provide a shot of several hundred yards. Consequently I chose the Burris 3X12 scope to cover all situations. Someone who hunts in fairly thick areas could get by with a lower powered scope such as a 2X6 or fixed powered scope.

If you are mobility impaired or physically disabled, your hunting need not be over! With just a little help from your friends you can enjoy hunting again. As most of the real experienced handgun hunters on this site can tell you it is necessary to practice, practice, and practice some more. You may never get good enough to reach out and touch them at great distances, but you can get proficient enough to make clean kills at 100 yards or less with a decent rest. I cannot wait for the next season to roll around. Even at age 64 and disabled I know I can get one with my Contender if I get the chance. I wish I had discovered the Contender years ago. I don't know exactly how it is going to feel but I guarantee you it will be a hoot!

Harry Marsh
Pensacola, Florida
 
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