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I would suggest that everybody WRITE or FAX Mr. Stockwell Day in regards to amending the law.
Apparently there exist two reasons for justifying handgun ownership in Canada:
1) Target Shooting
2) Collertor

I would suggest a third;
3) Handgun Hunting in the U.S.

It is perfectly legal and a good number of Canadians avail themselves to this right to hunt in the U.S.

I think it is important to be able to give as much "validit" for handgun ownership as possible.

Mr. Day's contact info as follows: http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=78682&Language=E

Reminder: WRITE or FAX; E-MAIL is useless as it often disappears far too easily. Leave a paper trail!
Who knows, maybe one day we will be able to legally handgun hunt here.
 
We've been pushing here in BC for some time. It's a hard road but we keep trying. One of the stumbling blocks is the "circle jerk", Provincially, the "out" is to say it's a Federal issue, if we say yes we would be trumped by the Feds. If you try the Federal route, the "out" is that there is no Provincial rulings to support it. Many here have decided the best approach (more likley to happen) is to pressure Provincially, get it change at that level, then the Feds don't have the "out' to say "no sense in allowing it because your Provincial laws don't allow for it any way. In any case, write letters and voice your views. Many forget or never knew that we did have hand gun hunting in Canada but lost it due to Lieberal "Social Engineering".
 
Just spitballing here but... what if a geologist had a wilderness carry permit for protection against bears while he was working. During his lunch break the opportunity to shoot a deer presented itself and as luck would have it he had a valid deer permit for the remote area he was in. I assume as in Manitoba the hunting regs across canada specify a centerfire RIFLE?
 
If the feds would allow it, handgun hunting is already legal on PEI. I have spoken to Fish and Wildlife here and methods of hunting are not defined in our laws (other than Migratory birds... again federal) If a person holds a hunting license, they could legally hunt with their car, a rock, a sharp stick etc... so a handgun would be fine if you could carry one.

Mind you we do have a .22 cal restriction here and can't shoot grouse with a rifle.
 
Nothing prohibiting handgun hunting on a territorial level other than a minimum empty case length of 44mm. The ammunition is specified, the firearm is not.

Single shot pistols chambered in rifle calibers would be a go, as well as a few of the monster pistols a-la BFR in 45-70 types.
 
My take on it is to attack "Federally". The Feds have dictated that we can only target shoot or collect restricteds. Fish and game don't care about the firearm used.

In Quebec, the game regs state "Firearms, Muzzleloaders, Crossbow, Bow". Firearms are then broken down into "Rifles/Shotguns" depending on the game hunted. So hunting small game should no pos a problem IF the FEDS were to legislate handgun hunting.

I say bug the hell out of Stockwell Day. :evil:
 
"...Handgun Hunting in the U.S..." Why just in the States? If you're legally in possession of handguns here, you can take them Stateside to hunt. If your sole reason for owning a handgun was to hunt Stateside, you wouldn't be allowed to shoot here. You'd still need an ATT etc. too.
Hunting is regulated by the Provinces. The Feds have no say in it. Ontario's Hunting Regs say no handguns. Although, as I recall, the actual law says no hunting with restricted firearms.
To allow for hunting with handguns, the purposes for owning a restricted firearm would have to be changed in the Criminal Code and FA. Changing the 'For Target Shooting' to 'For Sporting Purposes' would do. Then the assorted Provincial hunting regs would need changing too. I wouldn't count on that. Especially in Ontario.
 
Well, asking for U.S. would not raise an attack from the antis and should not be of concern here in Canada.
But you have a point, if we are going to ask for a change in the FA, we might as well ask for "Hunting" period. We can use our U.S. hunting permits to back our request. Handgun hunting could maybe become reality much sooner than ATC's.
 
Same with BC regs. I tried to find out about HGH with an air pistol. I wanted to hunt American Bullfrogs, an introduced species that is a pest and can be hunted/killed anytime.
The answer was that air pistols are considered by provincial regs to be firearms, and BC regs dont allow handguns for hunting.
 
tootall said:
Same with BC regs. I tried to find out about HGH with an air pistol. I wanted to hunt American Bullfrogs, an introduced species that is a pest and can be hunted/killed anytime.
The answer was that air pistols are considered by provincial regs to be firearms, and BC regs dont allow handguns for hunting.
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Maybe not for hunting... but are they allowed for pest control? Doesn't help this thread... but may help you to shoot a few frogs!
 
The only restriction on big game firearms here in NL is at least 1500ft/lbs of energy. The only restriction on using suitable handguns to hunt legally is lack of an ATT.

I admit, I don't see the need to lobby Day for the ability to own handguns for hunting in the USA. I believe that lobby would be better directed to Day to push for HG for hunting in Canada.

I've often thought province of NL should push for it with regards to US hunters coming here. I think a NL Handgun Bear or Moose hunt would sell VERY well in the US.
 
sunray said:
To allow for hunting with handguns, the purposes for owning a restricted firearm would have to be changed in the Criminal Code and FA. Changing the 'For Target Shooting' to 'For Sporting Purposes' would do. Then the assorted Provincial hunting regs would need changing too.
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The Firearms Act only lists acceptable reasons to acquire a handgun. Once you have it and you want to use it you then have to have a good and sufficient reason to get an ATT. Target shooting at a gun club is an acceptable reason to issue an ATT. So is taking the gun to a gun show. You can't acquire a gun for the purpose of taking it to a gun show but it is an accepted purpose after you have the gun.

I read a post years ago on the Canadian Firearms Digest where the individual said they had an ATT to go to a site where they had mounted cowboy shooting demonstrations. This was not at an approved range. Mounted shooting does not use a lead projectile. I believe black powder blanks are used. The ATT was issue (Alberta I think).

19. (1) An individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized to transport a particular prohibited firearm or restricted firearm between two or more specified places for any good and sufficient reason, including, without restricting the generality of the foregoing,

(a) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under specified conditions or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29;

(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister; or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer for registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair, storage, sale, exportation or appraisal, or
(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a gun show.​

So now you have to convince a Judge that hunting is a good and sufficient reason for an ATT. I'm sure that the CFO would most likely reject the application. You then are able to take the CFO to court for refusing to issue the permit.

If you have an ATT so you can take your handguns to the USA for hunting (not target shooting) then it would only be easier to convince a judge that it was already (hunting) considered an accepted purpose by the CFO.

bill c68 said:
If the feds would allow it, handgun hunting is already legal on PEI. I have spoken to Fish and Wildlife here and methods of hunting are not defined in our laws (other than Migratory birds... again federal) If a person holds a hunting license, they could legally hunt with their car, a rock, a sharp stick etc... so a handgun would be fine if you could carry one.
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If you province actually allows hunting with a handgun then this is where we should start. No point in trying to get other provinces to change their hunting regulations at this point until you can show that it is allowed under federal law.
 
Alright, Necro thread. As far as I can tell there are no regulations at the provincial level in SK. Handgun hunting should be a top priority for our lobby groups.

Also, anymore thoughts on this:
bill c68 said:
Maybe not for hunting... but are they allowed for pest control? Doesn't help this thread... but may help you to shoot a few frogs!
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I previously posted this in another thread.

You must have a reason to own a restricted firearm.

There are only 3 legal reasons you can own a restricted firearm, all spelled out in the Firearms Act, Section 28 . http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/F-11.6/index.html

Permitted purposes

28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied

(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun
(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or
(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or
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(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is
(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.
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1995, c. 39, s. 28; 2003, c. 8, s. 21.
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So that means

  1. Personal protection, which is almost impossible to get, wilderness protection is available but you have to have an occupation in the wilderness that requires it, and still jump through hoops, or you require it as part of your profession (armed security guard)
  2. Target shooting
  3. Collecting.

Most provinces now make you "prove" you are a bonafide collector by means of a "test". Also spelled out in the Firearms Act, Section 30
Gun collectors

30. The criteria referred to in subparagraph 28(b)(ii) are that the individual

(a) has knowledge of the historical, technological or scientific characteristics that relate or distinguish the restricted firearms or handguns that he or she possesses;

(b) has consented to the periodic inspection, conducted in a reasonable manner, of the premises in which the restricted firearms or handguns are to be kept; and

(c) has complied with such other requirements as are prescribed respecting knowledge, secure storage and the keeping of records in respect of restricted firearms or handguns.
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So to use a restricted firearm for hunting, you must prove that hunting with a restricted is necessary, but only if hunting is your profession, ie trapping.....
 
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