Handgun of choice for target practice?

[shawn]

Pistols work well in holsters carried by free people in free lands.

For your situation you won't be carrying the gun in a holster anywhere so that advantage no longer applies.
A compact easy to use long gun makes more sense.

Get one your wife can be comfortable with as well.

Even a 10/22 with a light/ laser and a 25 round mag would be a good tool for your wife and its something she can enjoy target shooting with.
That and a shotgun of your choice would do it.

I disagree completely

Ever try to use a long arm while fighting someone? I have, it aint going to happen.

What about using lights or door knobs? How do you effectively fight while doing that?

What about controlling kids/wife how are you supposed to do that and use a long arm at the same time?

Handguns were invented for a reason and it was not to carry around in a holster.

Shawn

 

[mikethebike]

My mistake, have a website or page to look at to reeducate myseld?

Google search bill c-26 (s.c. 2012 c.9) citizen's arrest and self defence act, defence of property.
Came into force March 11 2013
Cant give you more info than that...

 

[brass$pitter]

Thanks tips, your a real credit to the forum

 

[shawn]

My mistake, have a website or page to look at to reeducate myseld?

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-8.html#h-6

section 25 and up as well as section 494

Streamlight is a brand of weapon mounted lights. Mounts right to the picatinny rails on most handguns. Very very bright. I've never actually needed it for anything, but I've tested it out in the dark. If someone looks at this light while its on strobe, they're likely to have a seizure and become blind. Its very intense.

Storbes aren't causing blindness or seizures. They disorient and you will be temporarily unable to see as your eyes adjust. Just to be clear.

But I do agree that any thing you plan on using for self defense needs a light and a good quality one. Think surefire or streamlight. You cant shoot what you cant see.

Shawn

 

[infidel29]

My problem with a shotgun is accessibility in an actual crisis. I'm not sure the legalities of a biometric safe, if someone is, I'm all ears... Running downstairs to get a shotgun, locked in a safe, load it, run back upstairs, doesn't seem efficient in a time of crisis. A biometric in a convenient location with a small arm seems smarter. Input please?

all verbal gymnastics aside, you can get the grizzly mag fed shotgun with 12'' barrel. inexpensive, built like a tank, compact, as quick to load as a pistol. Keep it in a small safe in your bedroom closet with loaded mags in the safe...

 

[brass$pitter]

Basically saying only use force you deem neccasary in the situation at hand, anybody read the story of the guy in ontario killing one man and injuring another for robbing his home with a handgun, hes being. Charged with murder and attempeted murder.

 

[infidel29]

I disagree completely

Ever try to use a long arm while fighting someone? I have, it aint going to happen.

What about using lights or door knobs? How do you effectively fight while doing that?

What about controlling kids/wife how are you supposed to do that and use a long arm at the same time?

Handguns were invented for a reason and it was not to carry around in a holster.

Shawn

very good point...

 

[AROD89]

This one for starters. Time to practice your own search skills.

And to the OP, I wouldn't get a firearm I had to register or belong to a club to own unless I plan to use that club. A lot.
A cheap shotgun. I'm looking at the grizzly mag for bedside comfort.

"cheap" and "bedside comfort" should not coincide. If you're purchasing a firearm for defence purposes ( you live in a rural area with extensive wildlife.. cougars and yotes frequent your property ) then DO NOT cheap out….

It it were me, id by the best I could afford. reliability comes with a price tag. You get what you pay for.

 

[fraserdw]

Your best handgun is an antique that shots even if it is a 150 year old cap and ball. Anything else lets the Libtard Red Serge Cowboys into your life in way you will not enjoy. Better you have to meet them on the day you actually had to use it than 2 or 3 times before you ever used it. When you do go to buy, do not mention self defense!

 

[Can-down]

I disagree completely You don't think pistols work well with holsters?

Ever try to use a long arm while fighting someone? I have, it aint going to happen. No I have not but I'd probably use the long gun as a weapon if I had to defend myself... have you ever been slammed in the teeth with the barrel of a gun?

What about using lights or door knobs? How do you effectively fight while doing that? I'd consider a hand held or weapon mounted light if I was thinking about a home defense setup..... door knobs aren't that complicated?

What about controlling kids/wife how are you supposed to do that and use a long arm at the same time? Voice commands can be effective with some training.

Handguns were invented for a reason and it was not to carry around in a holster. Have you ever tried holstering a long gun? Even tucked into a belt while swashbuckling with a sword they are handy in that they can be carried as a backup weapon that can be drawn and used with one hand if needed. Generally not considered a primary weapon by professionals but then I'm not a swat guy so what do I know? The fact is for me even though I have guns I don't have any bedside waiting for a home invasion mostly because of where I live and how I feel about my personal security at home. If that changed I'd change as well but for know I'm comfortable with the guns in a safe that is not in my bedroom. If someone else feels the need to do something else within the laws of the land to establish a level of safety that feels good for them I fully support their plan for their situation.
I've read enough home defense threads to realize that suggesting things like birdshot and .22lr is not going to be well received by most gunnutz and I understand the rational. To my mind it's all about doing what works for you and lets you sleep well at night.
Alarms, dogs, weapons and a Plan are all good options.

Shawn

Shawn, I'm not against handguns for personal defense.

If I lived in an area where I was worried about home invasions, I'd consider a bedroom safe and handgun that would allow me to get to a long gun ( for the record when I say long gun I mean short shotgun or carbine).
This would be even more prudent if I lived on a larger rural property away from neighbors and emergency response.

Most home defense "experts" would strongly disagree with a rimfire due to reliability and stopping power and it would not be my first choice but for older or younger people who are not confident with centerfire guns a rimfire they are comfortable with is better then something that they are afraid of.

The OP wants to go from zero guns to a pistol that he and his wife can use for home defense.

I'd say get both long and short guns and learn how to use them and then see what everyone is comfortable using.

 

[TheWanderer]

all verbal gymnastics aside, you can get the grizzly mag fed shotgun with 12'' barrel. inexpensive, built like a tank, compact, as quick to load as a pistol. Keep it in a small safe in your bedroom closet with loaded mags in the safe...

Wow. Never even heard of this arm before. I think that is the route to go. Less potential heat and perfect for my intended purpose.

 

[jawsman]

I would keep my 454 casull ready for action if I could.

 

[Still alive]

I would keep my 454 casull ready for action if I could.

Yup! The flash, recoil, noise in a bedroom at 2 am, groggy from sleep and heart pounding. That should work well.

 

[Sharked]

You will need to join one before acquiring a handgun for target use as required in most provinces.

Not true, you don't have to be a member of a club to buy restricted, when you buy they will give you a temp att to take it home.

 

[Green Skull]

A nice tactical shotgun is my choice. When your adrenaline is flowing no need to be blasting 7-8 .45 fmj's into your house.

 

[mildcustom2]

All those that think defence of persons, personal defence or defence of property is still illegal please review the changes to the criminal code noted in this thread here.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ll-Home-And-Personal-Defence-Question-People-!!!

Glock 17 9mm would be my choice. Simple, reliable and less messing around when it comes to a time in need.

 

[4n2t0]

Revolver, they always go bang!

 

[shawn]

Basically saying only use force you deem neccasary in the situation at hand, anybody read the story of the guy in ontario killing one man and injuring another for robbing his home with a handgun, hes being. Charged with murder and attempeted murder.

I have not heard about that case, there is more than likely more to the story. You can only use deadly force when you or someone else is under threat of grievous bodily harm or death. Not to stop a robbery or to stop someone from stealing.

I disagree completely You don't think pistols work well with holsters?

You think pistols only work well with holsters?

have you ever been slammed in the teeth with the barrel of a gun?

Yep and it wouldn't have happened if I wasn't using a longarm

I'd consider a hand held or weapon mounted light if I was thinking about a home defense setup..... door knobs aren't that complicated?

Sure they are not when you are sitting in your house in condition white surfing CGN. Not so much when someone is kicking you door down or just entered you kids room and they start to scream bloody murder and you wife is freaking out.

Voice commands can be effective with some training.

Please cite your sources. What training, and be specific, will be effective in controlling multiple people in condition black including children while you are potentially in a gun fight with an intruder? Sorry its just not going to happen. On top of that you plan on using a weapon that requires both hands to operate and a handheld light because door knobs are easy.

Have you ever tried holstering a long gun?

No, they don't make rifle holsters

I've read enough home defense threads to realize that suggesting things like birdshot and .22lr is not going to be well received by most gunnutz and I understand the rational.

Its not just on CGN lol and there is a reason for it.

To my mind it's all about doing what works for you and lets you sleep well at night.
Alarms, dogs, weapons and a Plan are all good options.

Which is all part of the system and, one thing on its own, will not be the best option.

A nice tactical shotgun is my choice. When your adrenaline is flowing no need to be blasting 7-8 .45 fmj's into your house.

But 9 9mm pellets is cool?

Lol

I think some times people don't read what they write.

Shawn

 

[blackacres]

Hi TheWander,

Here's my 2 cents.

I own several rifles (Tavor, AR, bolt guns), shotguns (Rem 870, KSG) and pistols, I shoot them enough that I am comfortable using any of them and feel I can shoot them fairly accurately.

It sounds like you may be new to pistol shooting, as well as your wife. As most pistol shooters are aware, it takes a fair bit of practice to hit targets with decent accuracy. Not to mention in a situation where you have intruders entering/threatening and moving.

If I were to decide to put any of my guns into a self defence roll, and also consider that a new to shooting wife may need to use it, my first choice would not be a pistol, it would be (as others have mentioned) a short barreled shotgun with a light attached.

Load a 20ga (more wife friendly), or 12ga with #2 or #4 shot would be more than adequate to get the job done, plus there will be much less penetration through doors, walls etc. that may hit innocent others. Firing 9mm, .40 and .45 in a house will penetrate several doors, walls, etc. and may injure innocent others.

Shooting a shotgun would take much less practice time to become proficient when compared to a pistol. You said you were rural, so practice could be done at home. As we all know, a pistol will mean trips to a range to practice.
Also, in a rural setting, by just changing barrels (i.e. Rem 870) a shotgun can be used for other applications.

If you still want to go with a pistol, I'd suggest one of my favourites, a Glock 17 with night sights and a quality light/laser combo. To avoid wall/door penetration and if you can find it locally, 9mm frangible is what I'd consider using.

If you don't know what frangible ammo is, it's basically compressed metal powder. It does considerable damage to soft objects, but returns to powder if it hits something harder.
Here's a better explanation:

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=276075

 

[AROD89]

Wow. Never even heard of this arm before. I think that is the route to go. Less potential heat and perfect for my intended purpose.

The suggestion was also a reatricted firearm. If you want to go the shotgun route, I would suggest sourcing the most compact non restricted you can find.