Handgun Possession IN ONTARIO

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I live in Ontario.

Now I know that this isn't supposed to make any difference. But we all know that it does make a difference. So....I am looking for the answer that applies in Ontario, not BC or Alberta or any other sensible place. This is anal Ontario that we are talking about.

Once I obtain my restricted license, can I legally take possession of a handgun?

That's it. Just take possession. Period. I know I need the ATT to take it to the range and back but I just want to know when I can legally take possession.
 
PAL = Possession and Acquisition License

If you have Restricted listed on the back of the PAL under Possession then you're good. It's federal so includes all provinces and territories.
 
You do not need an ATT to posses an restricted firearm only to transport it.

If you buy one and it needs to be shipped to you a temporary ATT will be issued even in ontario.
 
Helno said:
You do not need an ATT to posses an restricted firearm only to transport it.

If you buy one and it needs to be shipped to you a temporary ATT will be issued even in ontario.
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If you buy one and you need to be get it home a temporary ATT will be required.
 
to transport it from point A to point B you need an att. If by "Take possesion" you mean bring it home, then you need the att before you can transport it. In Ontario the ATTs usually allow you to only transport firearms registered to your residence (you can't transport someone else's guns on your ATT, at least that the way mine reads)
 
get it shipped to you, that way you don't need a short term ATT, but the chances are CFO will want to to belong to a club before they aprove the transfer...
 
IM_Lugger said:
get it shipped to you, that way you don't need a short term ATT, but the chances are CFO will want to to belong to a club before they aprove the transfer...
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When you buy a restricted firearm CFO will call you to confirm the transfer (or you could call them). If you mention your fax number and ask them they will fax you the one-time ATT (from seller address to your home if the seller is located in Ontario).
 
Here's how it worked for me when I made my recent purchases:

I applied to the club I wanted to shoot handguns at.

After a few days, I went shopping and bought a gun in person at a store. The purpose I provided for the purchase was for "Target shooting at AGC". They took down my info at the store and then called the CFC while I was there to get the transfer started.

About a week and a half later, I got a call from the store. They had my one-time ATT to take it home and approval for the transfer. All the paperwork was done, I just had to pick it up and store it.

Once I'm done my probation at the club and get an ATT, I'll be good to go.

My other purchase was second-hand from a CGN member. Similar process, though the seller provides a reference number that the buyer is to call the CFC with after the seller initates the transfer.

After approval is given, the buyer can either get a one-time ATT from the Ontario CFO to pick up the gun and take it home, or the seller can get the ATT to take it to the buyer. Alternately, the seller can get an ATT to take it to the post office. My package was delivered (signature required) to my front door and put right in my hands.
 
Judge - I'm in onterrible and I just bought my first handgun. I've had my restricted PAL for a while and just decided to get a pistol. I ordered my gun, the distributor called the CFC and got the transfer approved. I don't know if they talked to the CFO for Ontario or not - but the firearm arrived at my door within 10 days of my order.

I was not asked whether I belonged to a club and I wasn't asked the purpose of my purchase. I was not contacted by CFC or by the CFO. The transfer number and firearm id number that CFC issues was written down on my bill. As far as I know, no temp ATT was issued.

I was not a member of a handgun club at the time of the purchase (I am now) so I don't think this was a factor. It is for me to get an ATT though - which should arrive anytime in the next 2 months after my club sends off the ATT form.
 
Once I'm done my probation at the club and get an ATT, I'll be good to go.

WTF is that all about? You have a PAL with your restricted course, so you obviously know a bit about guns. Most clubs make you do an orientation/training on restricted once you join...but you have to go through a "probation" period before they'll do your ATT? OK...so, you want to contribute to the shooting sports by taking an active role, you want to pay them money to have the right to use the range etc...but they insist on a probation period (even though you are licensed and have paid them money:rolleyes: ). I think you need to look at a different club...there is nothing wrong with learning to shoot and having to adhere to strict rules...but not getting your ATT until they decide blows chunks.
 
Thanks for the replies, guys. The consensus seems to be that once I get my license I can buy the sucker and bring it home. However, there will be probably be 1 or 2??? short term ATTs involved.

Question: is it a pain in the gazoo to get a temporary or short term ATT?

This will be a private transaction.

If the seller foots it over to the post office, I guess he will need one for that. And I will need one to pick it up at my post office.

If the seller sends it by courier from his front door to my front door, is it necessary to get an ATT? Something tells me it is necessary but I just thought I'd ask.
 
I guess I should add that I am already a member of a club that offers handgun shooting, so that's taken care of.

The club "course" at my club, I think, is very informal and is done in one afternoon, if that. Some elitist clubs in Ontario are anal about this, however. I'm just glad that I live close to a club where common sense rules.
 
ThePunisher said:
Once I'm done my probation at the club and get an ATT, I'll be good to go.

WTF is that all about? You have a PAL with your restricted course, so you obviously know a bit about guns. Most clubs make you do an orientation/training on restricted once you join...but you have to go through a "probation" period before they'll do your ATT? OK...so, you want to contribute to the shooting sports by taking an active role, you want to pay them money to have the right to use the range etc...but they insist on a probation period (even though you are licensed and have paid them money:rolleyes: ). I think you need to look at a different club...there is nothing wrong with learning to shoot and having to adhere to strict rules...but not getting your ATT until they decide blows chunks.
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Local club's the same way. You gotta go through 6 sessions with an instructor, and then pass a CSSA course before you get your long term ATT.
 
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If you have PAL saying in the back Restricted you can buy any restricted guns you don't need to be in club.To trasfer the restricted firearm from one point to other then you need to be in club.The permit you get say you can transfer the fire arm from your home to the club.or to the tournaments.
That is what I know.
 
ThePunisher said:
Once I'm done my probation at the club and get an ATT, I'll be good to go.

WTF is that all about? You have a PAL with your restricted course, so you obviously know a bit about guns. Most clubs make you do an orientation/training on restricted once you join...but you have to go through a "probation" period before they'll do your ATT? OK...so, you want to contribute to the shooting sports by taking an active role, you want to pay them money to have the right to use the range etc...but they insist on a probation period (even though you are licensed and have paid them money:rolleyes: ). I think you need to look at a different club...there is nothing wrong with learning to shoot and having to adhere to strict rules...but not getting your ATT until they decide blows chunks.
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All the clubs in my area that permit restricted firearms have the same process, involving a club-level safety course and a mandatory probationary period before full access to the club is granted and an ATT is issued.

I like the club, I like the people there and look forward to having access anytime of day or night that I want to go. I knew what the expectations were before I joined as a probationary member - it was all spelled out for me, so I don't feel put out or ripped off in any way.

Uh, thanks for caring, I guess. :confused:
 
I never had to go thru probation period, I only had to take the club safety course (in case you skipped the CFSC/CRFSC courses and just passes the exam :rolleyes:) that is dictated by the ON CFO, so I believe all clubs here have to do that.

after the course we went to the range and all we had to do was to hit a HUGE 50m target from 20 yards with a .22 10/10 times, :rolleyes:


ps: I shot the best out my group :cool:


now if I'm joining one of the 'crasy probation clubs' but allready own handguns would they make do the probation too? :eek:
 
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I had to do the "range safety course" and then had 13 weeks of probation. I was able to turn 13 weeks into 4 by shooting more than once per trip to the range. There was only another club member there instructing my the first two times, then I was on my own. I could only shoot on club night, and sometimes there would actually be other people using the range instead of talking it up in the club house. :p I still haven't recieved my ATT and its been almost two months since I completed the probation.
 
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Since when does the club issue an ATT, your member of club you get an ATT. Probation or not. This business of passing a CSSA exam is outside the regulations stipulated.

Like it was mentioned strict adherance to safety rules yes, but if on probation you are still a member and thats all you need .


Everyone is taking us for a ride :( This is shameful behavior on the part of the range owners...

Everyone believes that they can do want they want with Gun owners. Its like we are scum of the earth and have no legal rights.

We keep the ranges alive not the other way around

Rant off..

Molon Labe
 
Thank god someone else agrees...I'm not saying that there should not be safety...the club safety course is a great idea...no ATT until you do the club safety course..fine by me. It's the stupid probation period...no shooting except on club night? Don't tell me that all the old guard did this...most people prefer to shoot alone anyways (or with a small group of people, not half the damn club snickering and pointing at the new guy and making sure to loudly point out every fault that the newbie makes-all in the interest of making the sport safer of course). I've never had to do the probation period in the four clubs that I have belonged to (including my current club in Eastern Ontario). Everyone talks about getting more people to shoot...telling them they have to pay, but can't get an ATT for x number of monthes, that is a deterrent. At least let them have their ATT so they can go to the club and shoot...what is the big hang up here???
 
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