hanging meat....

Yeah, as mentionned, it begins to decompose and leaves a dark skin on the outer edge. The temperature is to control the rate at which it happens. Whether it is the best is subjective. Personally, I can't stand the idea of hanging meat. Eating meat that has started to rot creeps me out.

When I get deer they are dressed immediately, hides left on. Taken straight home and that evening they are done. When we order bison, the butcher has explicit instructions not to hang it. Then again, I eat all my meat rare, so it is still tender....
 
The main reason beef is aged is due to the fact that the stresses from slaughter make the meat very tough. I have eaten farm killed beef that really required no aging.
Unless you have older wild game, I don't believe it"s necessary. Also, you have to make sure to keep the temp and moisture level consistent. This would generally involve having a walk in cooler. Anything above 40'F or so and bacteria will take over. Anything below 34'F and the enzymes stop breaking down.
Hanging wild game in the open air for days or weeks and calling it "aging" is a bit of a misnomer. I would call it procrastination. :)
 
Yeah, as mentionned, it begins to decompose and leaves a dark skin on the outer edge. The temperature is to control the rate at which it happens. Whether it is the best is subjective. Personally, I can't stand the idea of hanging meat. Eating meat that has started to rot creeps me out.

When I get deer they are dressed immediately, hides left on. Taken straight home and that evening they are done. When we order bison, the butcher has explicit instructions not to hang it. Then again, I eat all my meat rare, so it is still tender....

Proper aging has nothing to do with decomposition or rotting.
 
So some guys say hanging at cool temperatures for awhile will make the meat more tender, some say it doesnt matter. So my brother could be right or wrong depending lol.
 
The main reason beef is aged is due to the fact that the stresses from slaughter make the meat very tough. I have eaten farm killed beef that really required no aging.
Unless you have older wild game, I don't believe it"s necessary. Also, you have to make sure to keep the temp and moisture level consistent. This would generally involve having a walk in cooler. Anything above 40'F or so and bacteria will take over. Anything below 34'F and the enzymes stop breaking down.
Hanging wild game in the open air for days or weeks and calling it "aging" is a bit of a misnomer. I would call it procrastination. :)

Sure a lot of truths in this post. The best beef I have ever had came from a farmer who butchered a lot of beef animals every fall. Good farm butchering meant the animal was quickly butchered, skinned and hung to cool, in cool, or a bit colder, weather. We were close friends with one such farmer and he told me not to buy his top priced animals, but he would sell me a young cow, which had one calf. I think that was the best meat we had (have) ever had.
Quick cooling of the animal, with good air circulation, is the most single important feature of having good meat. This outstandingly good beef animal only hung for a day or so, until it had thoroughly cooled.
Talking about old timers, going back to the 1930s, they agreed that wild meat (any meat animal) should be completely cooled, before it is transported, that is, taken out of the bush. Standard procedure was to take the horses for an animal, the day after it was shot.
A professional butcher who took in a lot of wild meat every fall, told me he got so many animals that hadn't cooled properly.
 
How long do you hang a hog..Not a question.Think about it.Aging meat can make good meat out of bad,not aging makes bad meat out of good..WE hang our deer, for at least 21 days..
 
I try for 3 weeks at just above 0 C.
Dad said I was 5 before I tasted beef, times were tough. Another place & time.
We ate lots of antelope; which is allegedly bad eating. Dad said BS, get 'em cooled off right now and hang 'em a bit; folks will eat them and think it's venison. He'd go so far as to throw snow into the chest / stomach cavity to rapidly cool them down.
My two cents
 
Anyone have experience aging birds like turkey or pheasant?


in the old days they were eating the pheasant when the body can leave the legs on his own ... doubt ill try that one day.

long time ago when i hunted pheasant we put them in cold area around 0 to +5°c for three days (without gutting) then removing the feather then gutting.

(to remove feather : had a bucket of boiling water then you pour the pheasant in (keep the legs in your hands) you ll see how fast the feather can be removed).
 
Sure a lot of truths in this post. The best beef I have ever had came from a farmer who butchered a lot of beef animals every fall. Good farm butchering meant the animal was quickly butchered, skinned and hung to cool, in cool, or a bit colder, weather. We were close friends with one such farmer and he told me not to buy his top priced animals, but he would sell me a young cow, which had one calf. I think that was the best meat we had (have) ever had.
Quick cooling of the animal, with good air circulation, is the most single important feature of having good meat. This outstandingly good beef animal only hung for a day or so, until it had thoroughly cooled.
Talking about old timers, going back to the 1930s, they agreed that wild meat (any meat animal) should be completely cooled, before it is transported, that is, taken out of the bush. Standard procedure was to take the horses for an animal, the day after it was shot.
A professional butcher who took in a lot of wild meat every fall, told me he got so many animals that hadn't cooled properly.

so true about air circulation.

one year in a caribou hunting camp we hang a quarter (leg) for 10 days in the meat house and it was one of the best meat we ate. i should say the same for a leg from a black bear.

luckily we re far in the north and the wind was with us.
 
Controlled decomposition

Meat aging is controlled decompostition. Butchers hang beef for generally 28+ days in order for some useful bacteria to help tenderize the meat, and also to "dry" the meat. If there is too much moisture in the meat, when cooking, you end up "steaming" the meat, causing the muscle and sinew to "tighten" up faster, and the result is a tougher cut. There is a point in which meat after a certain doneness becomes tough (med well-well) however when cooking beyond well, most of the time moisture is needed as well as longer cooking time to "relax" the muscles and break it down (stews, braising, etc). With young animals, meat is more tender as there is generally more fat (marbling) as well, the muscles have not had time to develop, having less sinew and scar tissue.

The "danger-zone" for food born bacteria is 4c-60c or 40F-140F. THis is why it is imperitive to field dress and cool ASAP. So when hanging ensure temps are below 4c (40F). Usually 3C(38F) is the ideal hanging temp, but unless in a butcher shop, it is hard to regulate.

Basically keep cold foods cold, and hot foods hot.

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There are soooo many variables and ways to handle meat, BUT, the first very first 2 or 3 hours after killing is all important. To be at its best, or even fit to eat, it must be quickly and thoroughly cooled. Some one mentioned the old timers throwing snow in the fresh body cavity to cool it. This was standard procedure among the old timers I knew, also. And I was at least ten before I tasted beef!
I mentioned the professional butcher I knew who cut up a lot of wild meat. I was at his place when a fellow brought in a nice whitetail buck he had shot in Saskatchewan two days before. This was about 600 miles from where he shot it. The dressed out deer with the skin on was completely ruined, actually stunk, because it hadn't cooled properly.
We can't say too much that air circulation is everything. The logging camps in the BC bush had meat houses, long before there was any type of mechanical cooling. The meat house was a screened in shed, in the trees, with the south side boarded in. Meat hanging in there would last a week, in any fall weather. Lay the meat on boards and it would spoil.
I once shot a nice little mule deer buck in late fall. We hung the skinned ut carcus in a cool shed. We would just cut a roast, or whatever, off the beast to cook, and left the rest hanging. It was like 3 or 4 weeks before it was gone and it was delicious. A skin developes over the meat.
 
Friends of mine have a mini cooler. Like the smaller ones found in restaurants. Some fellow hunters asked if they could use it while the owners were away on a hunt. Sure, leave it as you found it, is what was said. The owners came home early as they were successful only to find walking in the shop where the cooler was set up had a nose twitching smell. Aw crap, the owners said. They opened the locker door and rank was the word they used. Temperature was fine, but the meat hanging in there was rubbing against each other causing it to rot. Not nice.
I have heard if the weather is dicey, meaning a tad warm some have inserted copper tubes on the bigger hind quarters right to the bone to allow some heat to come out the tubes. Not sure how this helps but you never know.
I remember my dad was a big hunter of chukars and grouse when out deer hunting. He had a gimmic he would do to the feathered species. Don't laugh or eye'll pout. :) He really did this. He found a stick that he could end up with a hook on the end. Up the poop hole he would push this stick, turn it a bit and pull some of the innards out. He said it helped make the birds last till we got home. I never questioned his ways. Just watched. Some I do and sum,.............. well I don't. I try and keep an open mind with all this wizzardy.
A wise old mechanic I used to work with told me in order to learn, don't stay at one shop. Move around a bit to learn other people's habits. Not good to stay set on the same habits.
Learn'ins fun eh?
 
"long time ago when i hunted pheasant we put them in cold area around 0 to +5°c for three days (without gutting) then removing the feather then gutting."

Why did you stop? What happens to the bacteria from the intestine during 3 days of +5C? Would you eat a chicken prepped like that?

A veterinarian friend of mine said on the third day God created pus, in reference to a festered wound.

I am in no way discounting or discouraging your practice. just really curious about it.
 
Ive heard that after you kill a moose its best to let the quarters hang a day or so as it makes the meat more tender. Is there any truth to this or is it hogwash?

14 days or until you get a green hue on the meat (kinda looks like oil on water) whichever comes first.
 
Some old posts of mine on ageing meat on an Archery Forum I am part of, my experience is 10 years in the cooking industry and 2 years of college culinary apprenticeship.

Under hygienic conditions and without other treatment, meat can be stored at above its freezing point (1° - 4°C) for about six weeks without spoilage, during which time it undergoes an aging process that increases its tenderness and flavor.

In muscles that enter rigor in a contracted position, actin and myosin filaments overlap and cross-bond, resulting in meat that is tough on cooking – hence again the need to prevent pre-slaughter stress in the animal.

Over time, the muscle proteins decompose in varying degree, with the exception of the collagen and elastin of connective tissue, and rigor mortis resolves. Because of these changes, the meat is tender and pliable when cooked just after death or after the resolution of rigor, but tough when cooked during rigor. As the muscle pigment myoglobin denatures, its iron oxidates, which may cause a brown discoloration near the surface of the meat. Ongoing proteolysis also contributes to aging process. Hypoxanthine, contributes to the meat's flavor and odor, as do other products of the discomposition of muscle fat and protein.


We age our Beef tenderloin, Ribeye, Striploin, Sirloin, Venison, Lamb and just about any other red meat like this at work. It sounds pretty complicated, (I actually had to text my boss for some of those big words up above as he is "Mr. Science".), but pretty much just keep the meat cool, dry and CLEAN. If you want to help speed the process, butcher the meat into cuts (roasts, tenderloins etc. etc.) and age it like that, more surface area = more oxygen contacting the meat = faster aging process.

I was then asked:
"I always quarter the deer up and i put the quarters in garbage bags and let them sit in our extra fridge for about a week. Do you think the fridge is too humid for this? I'm sure the plastic bags dont help much either. Then again I'm not sure I like the sound of mold on my meat!"

The problem with this method is that it is more likely to lead to moisture inside the bag, inside a fridge (especially if the product is warmer then the fridge by 5+ degrees when you put it in at first). Moisture + darkness + stagnant oxygen = Bacteria. Bacteria uses Nutrients (whereas meat is a pure nutrient....PROTEIN mmmmmmmm meat!) and and the moisture to reproduce and because they are microscopic they can penetrate deep into the meat (because meat is very porous on a microscopic level), which can eventually lead to food poisoning (Not saying you have poisoned yourself, just saying that you run the risk of) What is the saving factor to your method is the refrigeration, bacteria grow much slower in lower temperature settings, but they still grow.

Mold is actually more "food friendly" then the bacteria as we use mold everyday (not just any molds, but specific ones cultured in specific settings) to make food products. Cultured molds are used in the production of foods, including:

* cheese (Penicillium spp.)
* tempeh (Rhizopus oligosporus)
* oncom (Neurospora sitophila)
* Quorn (Fusarium venenatum)
* bread
* sausages[3]
* soy sauce
* Beer (the yeast used to ferment the beer is just another form of mold)

Pretty much Mold, as it derives its energy to grow not from photosynthesis but from the organic material on which they inhabit, is prof that your meat is, decomposing. Which is exactly what we want, but the mold means its been "aging" too long, or its "aging" too quickly (too warm). And just any good painter, mold works from the Top-Down, or rather Outside-In. So if mold is present, you can simply cut it off at the pass. Literally, just cut the mold off, not too deeply though as you don't want to waste the product but enough to take off the "rotting" portions.

A great way of storing the meat, frozen or in the fridge, VAC PACKING! At work we just got in a vac packer and some fresh chicken breast. We packed it on the 10th of April, froze it for a week, brought out a bag (to the fridge) and left it sealed for another 14 days. We opened it up and smelled, looked just as fresh (if not fresher) then the day we got it in! Great method, if you can afford it, DO IT!

Hope this helps in any way!
 
Pete04, there sure is not a lot of meat in the legs but there are lots of ligaments and tendons. I don't bother with the legs except to make soup or stock sometimes.

Wild birds also do not have a lot of fat so are dry if you roast them. They need bacon or something else to keep them moist. I roast with a lid on and some kind of liquid, wine, beer, broth, etc.

If I'm gone longer than a day trip, I make a 'hunter' stew in the pressure cooker. I could eat it every day. It starts with a mixed bag of birds, ducks, pheasants, sharptails, huns and maybe a rabbit or two. I skin the birds and use the breasts and the legs. By the time it is ready the meat has fallen off the legs and most of the tendons are still attached. I pick the legs out and toss them. I flour the birds and bunnies and brown them. Add vegetables and a some beer or wine or Yukon Jack,mmmmm Yukon Jack and pressure cook for about 12 minutes. Thicken with corn starch or flour and enjoy.

Meat is moist and tasty and never enough. Biscuits or dumplings top it off.

For grouse, toss a couple in when you make baked beans. Mmmmm!

Also, as far as quick field dressing and cooling, this is especially critical with bears. I have shot and eaten numerous bears, and they are my favourite wild meat. In every single case, the bear was gutted within 15 minutes of being shot (shooting them with a 500 gr. pure lead slug from a 45-110 slows them down pretty good). the body cavity was propped open with a stick to let the air through. They were skinned within an hour. Every one was excellent. One guy gave me a bear that had been shot at dusk, found at dawn the next morning. It had been fairly cool that night. I loaded in into my little Chevette hatchback. By the time I drove 100 ft., I thought I would puke. We tossed it in the first bush road we found.
 
I'll have to try the grouse with baked beans, sounds yummy.

I always use the gutless method for bears. Skin immediately and within an hour the quarters,and backstraps are hanging to cool. No big mess.
 
I always try to hang meat at least a full week. Ten days is better if conditions are right. Critical to make sure the meat is free hanging (not touching anything) and that it has lots of air movement.
 
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