Hanging with the cool kids - the cheap edition.

misanthropist said:
Seriously...that belonged on ogrish.

I'm curious to see how this test turns out.
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I had to google ogrish. Holy ####....

It will take me a little while to get to 2k with it. I'm focusing on my Glock until I complete the Langdon course.

Hitzy said:
Twice the cost for 10 times the gun though....lol.
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In this case, I'm not so sure. Time will tell.
 
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I received a nice little package from Brownells. Got raped on shipping.


The new mag pictured above wouldn't seat in the gun, so I compared it to two other mags I had.
Left to right: Older Sig mag, Norc crap mag, new Sig mag. In the pic the bases are flush with each other but note how much lower the mag catch holes are in the new one.

Sig must have changed their mag specs. <Shakes fist in best Charlton Heston Voice> Damn you Sig!!

Also note how much the Norc mag looks like the older Sig mag...


I raised the hole on the new mag slightly with my Dremel tool. I went slow and checked often. Only took a few minutes. You only have to do one of the holes as the mag catch only locks into the left hole (as pictured).



Then I took care of the sights. I used black Tremclad on the rear, and the new Site Kote product on the front. It's a slick product, the needle makes application easy and it only takes a few "Kotes" to fill the recess properly. The little bottle should last forever. Also, after closer inspection, I can see the that the rear sight it it a little off center. I tried to drift it with a big hammer and a brass punch. No dice, it must have been put on with a press. I'll need to soak it over night with some penetrating oil and use a bigger hammer.




The stock grip is slippery so I stippled it. Gives me a much better grip on the gun.



The new springs won't be used until the gun reaches 2K.
 
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I haven't installed them, and won't until I reach 2k.

I did try to drift the sights though.

At first I was civilized and tried tapping it with a small hammer and brass punch. Didn't move.

Alright, slapped it in the vice and brought out the big hammer. Didn't move.

Then I got pissed. I put some WD40 on the rear sight and stuffed the slide in the freezer for an hour. I took it out and tightened it down in the vice as hard as I could and used my Dead On wrecking hammer to whack the brass punch. Didn't move a bit.

#### that, I got out an old 20lb steel dumbbell, let out a war cry, and hit the brass punch as hard as I could with it. Didn't move.

Then I tried to drift the front sight, I may have moved it a tiny bit before it stopped cooperating. I don't want to force the front sight anymore and risk breaking it.

Suggestions?
 
Well, you could warm up the gun as much as possible without wrecking it. That'll expand the metal and potentially loosen the sight in the dovetail. If you wanted to get cute you could try heating it to 200 or 300 f in the oven, and then icing the sight carefully.

Pretty much just flinging spaghetti at the wall there to see if it sticks though.



Sorry about the ogrish thing...but you cohened my eyeballs. You had it coming.
 
That might just work. Thanks.

I might hit the range tomorrow anyway and see if all my bashing moved them in the slightest. I witness marked the rear, so I'm sure it didn't move, but in my blind rage I forgot to mark the front sight and now it looks like it's slightly off center, but I'm not 100% if it has really moved from it's original position.

They must have used a hydraulic press to fit the sights. It's crazy how much abuse they will take.

Okay, I did deserve the Ogrish thing, but I felt like it was my duty to educate others on the horrors being conceived at Sig USA. Even if that means my post caused mild nausea and vomiting in some members.
 
Clobber -

I just purchased a pistol sight mover.
If it works for me, I'll let you know.

I wish Norinco would use the standard dovetail size (making sight replacement easier).
I have a norc 1911 that's really off and from my research I have determined its a common problem and the sights are quite difficult.

The tips all involved:

1.) freezing.
2.) penetrating oil over night
3.) Sherman tank tied to the sight with gun anchored in an adementanium vice.
 
Well that didn't take long.

Shot 225 rounds through it today. Total round count is 375 rounds with no cleaning and the hammer is now falling randomly when the slide returns to battery.

I made it through 150 rounds of Wolf 124g with no problems. I must have had success with drifting the front sight, as POI is only very slightly left now.

I was actually loving this pistol. I practiced a bunch of DA press outs on dot torture targets at 7 and 5 yards. 25 yard groups were promising. I shot one F.A.S.T today with the pistol; 8.18sec clean with a very cautious press out and messing up the reload by missing the slide release totally (muscle memory from the Glock).

At round 145 with Wolf ammo, I noticed that recoil and report of that round were much more pronounced. It ejected the round fine and the gun looked good so I continued shooting. Round 147 was the same thing, much sharper recoil and much louder. Shot through the rest of the mag and the slide locked back. There was definitely something up with two rounds out of that box of Wolf ammo. Next 75 rounds were hand loads. The pistol loved them, but through that 75 rounds the NP22 had 6 instances where the hammer dropped when I dropped the slide or it dropped in the middle of the mag.

#### me.

I stripped it when I got home and inspected it closely, I couldn't see any discernible issue. Obviously it's a problem with the hammer or sear, or both. I'm unsure if it has something to do with the two rounds of odd Wolf ammo, or just ####ty parts.

The gun was shooting so well, I had decided to bin my Glock and primarily shoot it just before it started acting up. I'll have to detail strip it and inspect it closely and in the meantime a Sig SRT kit and new hammer are in order, I hope to god they fit.

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions of the malfunctions, I'd appreciate it.
 
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Oh yeah, I also got a chance to compare it to a real Sig at the range. These were taken before the malfunctions:

Sig on Top. Norc on Bottom.



Norc on top. Sig on bottom.




Note the ####ty Norc recoil spring:






The Sig slide would not fit all the way on the Norc frame.


The Norc Slide would not fit on the Sig frame at all...
 
Clobbersauras said:
So I decided I wanted a Sig 226R. I started doing research and found that new Sig 226 series has some spotty QC issues, and they cost about a gazillion dollars. It ran fine. It was inexpensive and I could get into one (with mags and a quality holster) for about $700. Which is almost half the price of a new Sig and gear. It's hard to justify spending money on a real Sig, and purchasing an NP22 is a solid FU to Sig's QC and general jackassery lately.
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Clobbersauras said:
Well that didn't take long.

Shot 225 rounds through it today. Total round count is 375 rounds with no cleaning and the hammer is now falling randomly when the slide returns to battery.

I'll have to detail strip it and inspect it closely and in the meantime a Sig SRT kit and new hammer are in order, I hope to god they fit.

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions of the malfunctions, I'd appreciate it.
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So how is that Nork QC working out for you....lol
When you hit $650 into the pistol, that's the price of those used German made 226's dealers have....good luck with the Nork.
 
I'd be looking long and hard at the springs, and replacing them. The springs in Norcs (especially in a design like the Sig) always bug me - I'd look into getting some either Sig spings, or Wolff's. Also, maybe drop Ghostie a PM, he's done all sorts of playing with Norcs and Sigs - side by side.
 
Whah, whahhha. Thanks for the honesty Clobber. And the field test, which in my opinion, the gun failed. Stout rounds or not, the gun should be able to handle it :confused:.

I have 1 Norc (the 1911) and for what I paid I'm not about to complain, but then again the 1911 design is a simple one and aftermarket parts abound. I guess when the Chinese get into producing a pistol that is mechanically a little more complicated, they just aren't up to the task...perhaps in a few years, but they're clearly not there yet. Another reason I don't own any of the Norc AR's or the T97 (? I think that's it's designation, the bullpup one). I've seen too many of them fail on the firing line.
 
Hitzy said:
So how is that Nork QC working out for you....lol
When you hit $650 into the pistol, that's the price of those used German made 226's dealers have....good luck with the Nork.
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Comparing older German Sigs to US made Sigs isn't really a fair comparison, especially since I already stated I wanted a 226R. But yeah, ok, I get your point.
 
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enefgee said:
I'd be looking long and hard at the springs, and replacing them. The springs in Norcs (especially in a design like the Sig) always bug me - I'd look into getting some either Sig spings, or Wolff's. Also, maybe drop Ghostie a PM, he's done all sorts of playing with Norcs and Sigs - side by side.
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I agree, now that I've had a major failure, I'll replace the springs with the Wolf ones I already have.

I'm not ready to quit this gun yet. If I can get it shooting reliably like I did yesterday before the failure, I'll be very happy.

I really hope readers are getting something out of these posts. Like my NP29 thread, I hope people know what they are getting into when buying these guns that are supposedly a great value. They may well be, but in my experience you have to be your own armorer to get them running and while there is value in learning the platforms, if you aren't willing to tinker, these guns are NOT worth it.
 
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