Just curious if anyone has ever really felt they required the need for fast follow up shots that are available with a semi-auto hunting rifle? Don'[t get me wrong I have hunted with them too and I actually like them. I just think that with practise one can master any action to the point where they can follow up quickly if needed. I would like to hear any comments either way.
Has anyone ever truly needed the fast follow up of a semi?
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In a perfect world, YES this would be true.fogducker said:
But ....... the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of hunters hunt with REPEATING rifles of one sort or another be it a semi auto or bolt action. Otherwise there would be far more single shot rifles in the field.
Another consideration is that the style of hunting out West is generally alot different than how we hunt here in the East, and this dictates the types of guns used.
And yes, I have used follow up shots with my pumpguns and bolts alike
sc
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x2, well said
Frank
Frank
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I find the speed of a lever gun is all I need for a second shot. And I have to admit, the for the most part, I have more time than than I need to get a second shot off ... most of the time.
There have been instances where I successfully shot deer that gave me only enough time for one shot, and not much time for that. Still, it was nice to have the speed to get that second shot ready for use.
I think the chronic unreliability of SOME semis far outwieghs thier slight real world speed advantage.
There have been instances where I successfully shot deer that gave me only enough time for one shot, and not much time for that. Still, it was nice to have the speed to get that second shot ready for use.
I think the chronic unreliability of SOME semis far outwieghs thier slight real world speed advantage.
Many times!
When your hunting in brush & bush country you just can't see twigs & interferance in the path of your bullet with-out a scope! Many times I have put the second one thru the lungs only to discover the first had taken out the heart! It is almost imposible to put a spooked deer down with one shot. A few times I have swung on a running deer & when the lead is just right...bang...damm tree.
Course there's a few times when I got one with the second shot & for the life of me can't figure out what happen to the first shot
There have also been many times I have put down multiple deer
That's really hard to do with one good shot
When your hunting in brush & bush country you just can't see twigs & interferance
in the path of your bullet with-out a scope! Many times I have put the second one thru the lungs only to discover the first had taken out the heart! It is almost imposible to put a spooked deer down with one shot. A few times I have swung on a running deer & when the lead is just right...bang...damm tree.Course there's a few times when I got one with the second shot & for the life of me can't figure out what happen to the first shot
There have also been many times I have put down multiple deer
That's really hard to do with one good shot
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The multiple deer point is a good one senior. Ontario has a lot of goofy laws, but one of the nice ones is party hunting, the ability to use tags belonging to other camp members.
On many of my days of hunting I have used more than one shot. This includes bear, dear and coyote. When an animal is coming through the bush it is better to have the multiple quick shots available than not. I agree that most of the time it is your first shot that counts but why not take a couple more to make sure. We all !!! make bad shots.
Bruce
Bruce
Yeppers lots.
Sure that fist shot is usually the kill shot.Not always is it the anchor shot.See if I lung hit a nice buck with one shot.It runs over the next hill to another hunter and he finishes it.If this fella is not hunting with our group I have just lost a nice deer.I have seen and heard of this happening many times over the years.So in many instances is the achor shot that counts where there are many other hunters.
What Senior said is also true.If your shooting over 40yrds around this part of the woods there is alot of between you and your tagret.Your bullet does not always make it to the target so a second/third shot may be needed.
Alot of places we watch for deer you can only see 20yrds in any direction.This makes it hard to get of one good shot let alone two.But lots of times that first deer gets by you without a shot fired.There is second,third and maybe a fourth deer coming out in the same place right behind the first deer.Those you will be ready for and yet you may be only fast enough to get a shot at one of them.
Most of the hunting around here is done with drives.We push the bush with either people or dogs.The deer are not walking when they come out to you.Many times using a lever or a pump I coudnt cycle quick enough for a second shot.But also many times I needed that second/third shot and was glad to have them.Sometimes its the differece in putting deer on the pole.
Sure that fist shot is usually the kill shot.Not always is it the anchor shot.See if I lung hit a nice buck with one shot.It runs over the next hill to another hunter and he finishes it.If this fella is not hunting with our group I have just lost a nice deer.I have seen and heard of this happening many times over the years.So in many instances is the achor shot that counts where there are many other hunters.
What Senior said is also true.If your shooting over 40yrds around this part of the woods there is alot of between you and your tagret.Your bullet does not always make it to the target so a second/third shot may be needed.
Alot of places we watch for deer you can only see 20yrds in any direction.This makes it hard to get of one good shot let alone two.But lots of times that first deer gets by you without a shot fired.There is second,third and maybe a fourth deer coming out in the same place right behind the first deer.Those you will be ready for and yet you may be only fast enough to get a shot at one of them.
Most of the hunting around here is done with drives.We push the bush with either people or dogs.The deer are not walking when they come out to you.Many times using a lever or a pump I coudnt cycle quick enough for a second shot.But also many times I needed that second/third shot and was glad to have them.Sometimes its the differece in putting deer on the pole.
Donny Fenn1
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multiple coyotes require multiple shots, and as fast as i am with a bolt, the PE90 is faster....
I've used "follow-up shots". There was somebody in our group that "admired the shot". Like those nice <<sniper movies>> one shot - and all is over. Bullet selection wasn't the greatest (we were after deer) and the shot was going - on a quarter towards shot - to hit the hear, but the front leg had other ideas about letting a 150 SST going thru it. Lost moose.
Should I have been smart enough to stay on the trail and close on the moose with my M14, the situation would have been different. I still managed to cut down a tree though, trying to help out.
When we followed the blood trail in the bush - the sucker with the semi (myself) went first - the one-shot pros stayed behind.
Same thing with the wounded bears. It is always : the guy with the semi goes first.
- yea, but last night you said they jam and they're unreliable.
- .........
they seem to do the same when I pack a Mauser too.
What can I say. ...... Remington lovers.
Should I have been smart enough to stay on the trail and close on the moose with my M14, the situation would have been different. I still managed to cut down a tree though, trying to help out.
When we followed the blood trail in the bush - the sucker with the semi (myself) went first - the one-shot pros stayed behind.
Same thing with the wounded bears. It is always : the guy with the semi goes first.
- yea, but last night you said they jam and they're unreliable.
- .........
they seem to do the same when I pack a Mauser too.
What can I say. ...... Remington lovers.
The cause was poor bullet selection,and admiring the shot,not a slower action.As for sending the fellow with the semi auto first after wounded bears,if he is willing to go why not?
I follow up wounded bears with a short barreled pump shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot.A branch won't deflect all 15 pellets and a small pattern makes accuracy in a hurry less critical than with a single bullet.It stops black bears just fine at close range..
An experienced shooter can cycle a bolt while keeing the rifle on his shoulder as he swings from one target to the next.By the time he sights in the next target the gun is ready to fire.In that situation a semi auto provides no real advantage.
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Had a 190 class whitie at 50 meters broadside, emptied a mag without a shot fired. Was a bit nervous
Frank
Frank
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Well, it IS hard to do THAT with a semiLevi Garrett said:Had a 190 class whitie at 50 meters broadside, emptied a mag without a shot fired. Was a bit nervous
Frank
Fast followups can be accomplished with most actions, including the beloved bolt. But, under the circumstances I hunt, where game can appear and disappear in an instant, and right in front of you, at fifty feet or so, the bolt is just not fast enough for me, and I've had my fill of semi's (At least the Remington Versions).
There is a old Army trick with the Bolt action Enfields...
An old fart at the range showed me after I mentioned I was impressed about reading about the high firing rates of said Rifles back in the day.
With the butt never leaving your shoulder and your head never moving off the stock, use your index finger and thumb to cycle the bolt, and your middle finger to pull the trigger...sort of looks like a fanning/whipping action.
Takes some practice, and I can imagine that it is rather rough on the Rifle but it does work in an emergency...advancing Nazis, Bears, Zombies etc.
An old fart at the range showed me after I mentioned I was impressed about reading about the high firing rates of said Rifles back in the day.
With the butt never leaving your shoulder and your head never moving off the stock, use your index finger and thumb to cycle the bolt, and your middle finger to pull the trigger...sort of looks like a fanning/whipping action.
Takes some practice, and I can imagine that it is rather rough on the Rifle but it does work in an emergency...advancing Nazis, Bears, Zombies etc.
