Has anyone ever truly needed the fast follow up of a semi?

[PSE]

I've hunted with both. My first deer hunt was with a G3 and 20 rd mag filled with silvertips many years ago. Only needed one shot back then but boy was I ready to lay in a field of supressive fire if required (LOL). Since then I've been doing my hunting with a bolt and I can't think of an instance where a quick second shot from a semi rather than a bolt would have been needed. I do agree that there are probably instances especially in very tight bush where it might be handy but for myself I would rather have the inheirant accuracy of the bolt over the semi. Yes before you jump on me I know that some individual semis are very accurate but in general the bolt will be the more accurate rifle. To me hunting is all about taking the animal with one well placed shot. Anything else is a personal disappointment. It has happened where I've really needed that second shot but the speed of the bolt was adequate to the task.

 

[walksalot]

Well genius... that is why we have laws that determine how far away you can be from the other hunters in your party. Your assumption that we "would" or "could" shoot more than our number of tags in one sitting is not only presumptuous but almost "trailer park" in its audacity.
It is brilliant individuals like you that cannot get your head around an acceptable and legal hunting practice that gives other hunters a bad name.
I would advise you to pull your head out of your ass but it is undoubtedly too swollen with over active brain cells.
Hooked another one.

It is a typical symptom of buck fever to keep shooting at animals until you run out of bullets and then when the gun is empty still working the action.
I love it when a guys fingers hit the key board before his brain kicks into gear.
Missed another one.

 

[DarrylDB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperCub
A pumpgun is just as fast as any semi, as the time it takes to recover from the initial shot is lots of time to work a pump. sc

I only wished you lived closer to me Super ... pumps are as fast as a semi... yeah right... and when the monkeys quit flying out your butt I'll take that bet for any money.

Yup, even while pumping during recoil, you cant recover as quick as a practiced semi shooter. I'll be down in NB this summer for a week, I'll bring my 7400. UP for a race Paul?


This whole arguement really has more to do with how your hunting than what you are hunting with. If your plopped on a field edge picking through a herd for a good animal, a semi might not be your choice gun. If your party hunting in tight bush and hunting for more than one deer if possible because your gun season is only 3 days to 2 weeks long, a bolt action beanfield rifle needs to stay in the truck. Or you are going to hear about it from your camp unless you have a few open runs..
And those of you guys with either limited experience hunting, or shooting different firearms cant seem to grasp this.


Because you can, doesnt mean you have to. The assumption that you become rambo every time you carry a semi is absolutely rediculious, unfounded, and plain narrow minded bull####.

 

[DarrylDB]

It is a typical symptom of buck fever to keep shooting at animals until you run out of bullets and then when the gun is empty still working the action.
I love it when a guys fingers hit the key board before his brain kicks into gear.
Missed another one.

I guess thats happened a few times to you shooting for heads eh?

 

[stubblejumper]

If your party hunting in tight bush and hunting for more than one deer if possible because your gun season is only 3 days to 2 weeks long, a bolt action beanfield rifle needs to stay in the truck.

I use the same long barreled bolt rifles in the timber as well as on open fields and I still manage to kill as much or more game than other people using pumps,levers or semi autos.However,I do usually fire fewer shots.

 

[SuperCub]

I only wished you lived closer to me Super ... pumps are as fast as a semi... yeah right... and when the monkeys quit flying out your butt I'll take that bet for any money.

Anybody can jerk a trigger and empty a magazine in a semi-auto in short order, but if you read again my post it refers to the time it takes to recover from the recoil and take a proper hold with proper target acquisition.

This is lots of time to work a pump.



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[Red foreman]

I no longer own any semi's.All I have now is levers,bolts and couple of single shot shotguns.

I look for the one shot kill.I pass on a lot of deer just because the shots not there.I can jack another round into my 99 pretty quick or work the bolts on any of my bolts guns for that matter.I've never had a bolt or lever jam on me,I can't say the same for semi's.

There's no noticable advantage for me having a semi.Maybe it's just the semi's I've tried but they've all been heavy,and not as accurite as my other guns.As for pumps I've never owned one but will probally get one at some point.I'm leaning towards levers these days,I like them.

 

[eltorro]

Anybody can jerk a trigger and empty a magazine in a semi-auto in short order, but if you read again my post it refers to the time it takes to recover from the recoil and take a proper hold with proper target acquisition.

This is lots of time to work a pump.



sc

That is precisely what I'd like to bet for too.
anytime you feel like moving the slide the fastest, please drive up to M14 valley. I can asure you'll be dissapointed.

 

[7mmRemExpress]

Of course I have needed follow up shots.I hunt the brushy old Ottawa Valley and the deer are usually being chased by hounds.
Sure the one shot kill thing should be the rule in perfect hunting situations.If your waiting for the perfect shot where I hunt you may be waiting many seasons before you bag your deer.
I have hunted with alot of fellas who talk about the one shot kill.But when these guys leave the camp they take a box of ammo.Why is that?
There are alot of fellas who can group under an inch at 100 every time.Shoot game standing out at 400 yards with one shot.You put the same shooters trying to bag a deer running through hardwoods at 30 to 50 yards I guarantee the story will change.
Not knocking anyones values.But hunting situations here are alot different here than open areas where you may hunt.
I know I am not a 400+ yard shooter.But I do know I can take a deer running full out in the bush.Even if it does take me more than one shot to do it.I wont loose any sleep at night if I have to use more than one round to make a kill.

 

[cday]

If I'm after putting a bullet into an animal and it's still standing and in range, I have a hard time not to let more lead drift. Just purchased a semi a couple months ago, but have'nt had a chance to use it yet other than at the range. With regards of a pump being just as fast as a semi, I consider myself to be fairly quick on the pump, but there's still no comparison to the target reaquisition time of a semi. If anyone out there can put 4 shots on target faster with a pump than I can with a semi, I'll be the first to shake your hand, but I want to see it happen first because I find it VERY hard to even begin to believe.

 

[SuperCub]

That is precisely what I'd like to bet for too.
anytime you feel like moving the slide the fastest, please drive up to M14 valley. I can asure you'll be dissapointed.

What you and DB are talking about is a contest (semi vs pump) at a rifle range under controlled conditions. Under those conditions, there is a pretty good chance that the semis would work faster.

I'm talking about real hunting conditions while hunting real "moving" game in the real world with real trees and rocks and stuff




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[SuperCub]

If anyone out there can put 4 shots on target faster with a pump than I can with a semi, I'll be the first to shake your hand, but I want to see it happen first because I find it VERY hard to even begin to believe.

A pumpgun is just as fast as any semi, as the time it takes to recover from the initial shot is lots of time to work a pump.

I didn't say "faster", I said "as fast" and again, I was referring to a "real life" hunting situation, not a day at the range



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[BIGREDD]

Anybody can jerk a trigger and empty a magazine in a semi-auto in short order, but if you read again my post it refers to the time it takes to recover from the recoil and take a proper hold with proper target acquisition.

This is lots of time to work a pump.



sc

This is your inexperience talking again Super.
The expanding gasses in the barrel and the resulting energy pushing back on the rifle are what causes recoil.
A gas operated Semi Channels gas through ports part way down the barrel, this gas is used to cycle the action. The result is less energy that is imparted back to your shoulder...less recoil.
Recoil action semis also absorb excess energy through the action spring and bolt assembly and they too have less recoil than a pump.
The fact that you have to pull back on the action to work a pump takes time and also affects your point of aim this slows aquisition time as well.
Semi's recoil less than pumps.... semis have less muzzle jump than pumps, semis are faster and aquire secondary targets faster than pumps...black and white... no mystery.
I'll put a brown one on the table, any time, shotgun or rifle, semi against pump you make the course of fire, no problem.

 

[senior]

"I'll put a brown one on the table, any time, shotgun or rifle, semi against pump you make the course of fire, no problem."

Can I get in on this?? I could use some extra cash too

Garrentied a semi can put out more ACURATE shots faster than a pump!

 

[senior]

I use the same long barreled bolt rifles in the timber as well as on open fields and I still manage to kill as much or more game than other people using pumps,levers or semi autos.However,I do usually fire fewer shots.

I'd like to see you with your long barreled bolt gun & probably a 4x12 scope try to pick up a deer even trotting thru the brush
My bet is you probably wouldn't even get of a shot! let alone "one good shot"


Do you party hunt for meat like a lot of Ontarions?
Or do you hunt for 1 trophy animal per year in an area where you sit & mull over which animal to shoot? & pretend to call that hunting

 

[walksalot]

Do you party hunt for meat like a lot of Ontarions?
Or do you hunt for 1 trophy animal per year in an area where you sit & mull over which animal to shoot? & pretend to call that hunting

Here in British Columbia the tags are not tranferrable so to party hunt is strictly forboden but I have heard of it being done. The problem arises when one hunter drops enough animal for the number of tags but one of the fellow hunters sees that buck of a lifetime and drops it. Many years ago I came upon a good friend who had done just that. He was hunting with his buddy and they had more deer than tags. I cancelled my tag to bail his ass out of the swill and my hunt was over before it started and let me tell you he knew I was not impressed.

 

[senior]

Here in British Columbia the tags are not tranferrable so to party hunt is strictly forboden but I have heard of it being done. The problem arises when one hunter drops enough animal for the number of tags but one of the fellow hunters sees that buck of a lifetime and drops it. Many years ago I came upon a good friend who had done just that. He was hunting with his buddy and they had more deer than tags. I cancelled my tag to bail his ass out of the swill and my hunt was over before it started and let me tell you he knew I was not impressed.

That's never been a problem in our camp.
The closest we have ever come to filling all our tags was 2 yrs ago with one tag left after two weeks of hunting.

We find it no problem at all! we split the tag numbers between two weeks to give each seperate group an equal chance. & do on occasion call a "bucks only" rule when were down to a couple tags left for that week! Exception for beginner hunter or some-one that's never shot a venny!

See we also have no problem putting our tags on another person deer It's accepted & expected here! Just the way it is! Probably has more to do with "harvesting deer" than the single hunters type harvest!
For instance two years ago I shot 5 of our camps 7 deer first week ya who hero Last year never saw a deer in 2 weeks to even shoot at so there you go hero to zero still got my venny which of course is split evenly between the camp, newby or experienced! hero or zero

 

[grouseman]

Do you party hunt for meat like a lot of Ontarions?
Or do you hunt for 1 trophy animal per year in an area where you sit & mull over which animal to shoot? & pretend to call that hunting

RANT ON
buddy, your parents must be cousins or something

I spent last year 65 hrs in a tree stand with a bow picking the deer I wanted to shoot, I was methodical and concise in my hunt.
I scouted all year round, and had 2-3 different tree stands in other trees, incase the wind was not right for that perticular set up.
I didn't drop the hammer on the first deer I saw or dump my magazine on as many deer as possible.
now tell me, how the hell does that not meet your definition of hunting?

I think next time you should take your head out of you a$$ and stfu before you put your fingers in motion
any of your futur oppinions should be taken with a grain of salt now, as you've just proved to every body; your a 15 yr old pimply faced pokemon obsessed kid typing on the computer

man the world is full of so many unimformed a$$hats like you

RANT OFF, continue the thread gentleman

 

[Ljungman]

As an observation only, it's interesting to see how many different opinions there are in reguards of hunting princapals and ethics. At the same time it's a pain in the ass to see a flame war. I think out of all topics, hunting (and the way each of us like to do it) is the one that stirs up the most ####.

I, personally, would never never post my "ways" and what's acceptible to me in reguard to hunting, for the simple fact that I KNOW I'll get flamed. That alone I don't care about so much, but you KNOW when a flame war starts the post is doomed to lockage sooner or later.

Stick together. The only time I want to go up against another is when I'm speeding by your crappy pick-up on my quad to get a crack at the Geese before you do.

 

[senior]

RANT ON
buddy, your parents must be cousins or something

Where in the heel are you coming from Grouseman

I'll repeat my above comment so you can review it & see if you can understand WHO & WHAT I was commenting on

FROM ABOVE

Quote:
Originally Posted by >>stubblejumper<<
I use the same long barreled bolt rifles in the timber as well as on open fields and I still manage to kill as much or more game than other people using pumps,levers or semi autos.However,I do usually fire fewer shots.

MY COMMENT
I'd like to see you with your long barreled bolt gun & probably a 4x12 scope try to pick up a deer even trotting thru the brush
My bet is you probably wouldn't even get of a shot! let alone "one good shot"


Do you party hunt for meat like a lot of Ontarions?
Or do you hunt for 1 trophy animal per year in an area where you sit & mull over which animal to shoot? & pretend to call that hunting
END OF ABOVE

Maybe your alias is stubblejumper at any rate I'm happy your a successful pointed stick hunter but fail to see what that has in common with a long barreled bolt with a 4x12 scope in the bush
Next time you fly off the handle try to at least stay on track !

& I'm sorry if you don't like my "definition " of hunting!
But you see them on TV, sitting in a house stand watching 20+ deer standing around! all usually with-in range waiting to shoot a bigger one that steps out from among them with a precision long range hunting rifle, usually at range of less than 100yds I guess you could call that hunting, personally I call it embarassing
I hope the shoe doesn't fit but if it does & you don't like it **** off