Has anyone ever truly needed the fast follow up of a semi?

Not... Not even close... the highest risk to wound shot is the Head shot
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I would agree with part of that, it is a high risk shot, but to miss mostly. I do agree with the running shot / wound idea, just cause of the overall size compaired to the head. The head shot which would/should be a standing shot, but if not at alert , that head position can change pretty quick.
I do not recommend a head shot at all, because of the risk of a jaw shot, and the animal will suffer through starvation.
Frank
 
walksalot said:
Just remember guys, the goal in hunting is to dispatch with the animal as quickly and as painlessly as possible. If we sit back and determine that lots of animals are getting away wounded then one must rethink one's hunting strategy. Always bear in mind the running shot is one of the hightes risk to wound shots there is in a hunting situation.
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Of course our goal is to dispatch with the animal as quickly and as painlessly as possible "If we sit back and determine that lots of animals are getting away wounded then one must rethink one's hunting strategy" !
I personally don't know of any camps in our area where that happens.
I would sure like to question WHAT other stratagy is available??
In this area probably 1/2 of all deer are shot running or trotting that's a normal & expected thing to do. The notion of passing up a shot because it's not a "perfect" shot is foreign to this way of hunting! But remember, in our situations that may very well be the ONLY animal you see during the hunt. The notion of seeing even 10 deer during the hunt would certainly be very pleasing but we hunt for meat not horns or body mass!
Another fact also remains is that camp hunting is primarily a social event with a hunting theme! In many cases camps are made up of several generations of families, & with work the way it is now days may be one of the few times a year you can enjoy time with your siblings or relatives or even just friends! We hunt hard but enjoy the evenings even more:)
 
Imagine a deer at 358 meters. Trotting with a steady 15 km/h (I'd not call that running.)
Shooting a 300 WM with a 165 gr Interlock - speed 3000 fps.
Disregarding lock-time (for the sake of the argument) could you please tell me how much you have to lead the shot? Wind speed is 20 km/h in the oposite direction of deer travel.......

If a deer pops out at under 40 yards in front of you, I'd say a running shot is more likely to be succesful than even a standing shot @ 358 (for most hunters anyway.) Nevermind the head one.


Are there folks who believe themselves to be Simo Hayha? Of course !
but a running shot under 50 is more likely to end good than a head one @150.

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I don't like running shots and hate head shots or people telling me about their head shots, it's just stupid.
I have taken running shots before but then it was out of desperation
 
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Levi Garrett said:
Sounds like the place to be:cool:
Frank
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I can tell you without a doubt, there is no better way IMHO...



Eltorro, I wouldnt take the shot unless the deer was standing still @ 358, but @ 40 yards, consider it dead.

Anyone with a pump, lever or any other action want to race??????

I got a hundred bucks that says you lose... Even if we make it a 6-7 shot race and keep it legal.
 
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camps are made up of several generations of families, & with work the way it is now days may be one of the few times a year you can enjoy time with your siblings or relatives or even just friends! We hunt hard but enjoy the evenings even more





I can tell you without a doubt, there is no better way IMHO...



Eltorro, I wouldnt take the shot unless the deer was standing still @ 358, but @ 40 yards, consider it dead.

Anyone with a pump, lever or any other action want to race??????

I got a hundred bucks that says you lose... Even if we make it a 6-7 shot race and keep it legal.
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i,ll take you up on that...:D ..there im done are you?:p
 
I have needed the fast follow up of a semi. It was my first deer ( I was 14). The little bugger was standing not 50 yards away, broadside. I raised my trusty .270 Browning BAR, aligned the sights (open sights) and squezed off a shot. No reaction. Completley stunned, I did it again, and again and again. My father was standing beside me and decided he had seen enough and dropped the little fork horn. Deer must have been deaf. That was the most shots I have ever fired at an animal. I guess the other ones tha got away got the message after the first shot!:redface:
 
I spent 21 days in a tent, N.S. so don't laugh Alberta ,without seeing a deer, then 2 does cross over , I was still hunting and planned to head home out of frustration that eve, anyway I was legal in taking a bowshot but hunkered down. A little deer talk not to spook em, the rut was on you see. Anyway I watched them move on. And when I tell this story to my buddies they say I would have taken a doe. Anyway let em go, and something told me to get beside their path and setup, so not more than 2 minutes went by , and their he comes, wide , man he was nice, I burried in behind 3 birch growing out of the same stump and could hear him coming. I was shaking so bad that broadhead was moving 4 inchs up and down on the rest of my recurve, I was afraid he would see the movement and tucked the bow into my body , I was standing.
He passed 15 meters broadside , and I got a walking pass through.
I would say thats holding out for a buck eh. 3 miles from any road but a happy camper.
The moral of the story , 21 days of time afield, and take home a trophy, it just does'nt get much better. Would have been nice to see more game, but the sunshine in the hardwoods I would take over any day on a city street.
Frank
 
Levi Garrett said:
15 ft:D give or take a bullet diameter:p
Frank
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starting with about 3000 fps... ends up @ 2400 on 358 m.
deer speed - 15km/h - is 4.16m/s.
time of flight - approx 0.43 sec.
deer travel in 0.43 sec :1.78 m
windspeed 20 km/h - drift - 46.25 cm.

lead on deer : aprox 1.32 m.

You were close, Frank. :p

took me a couple minutes to come up with the numbers. I don't take shots like this and neither do you, AFAICT.

DarrylDB said:
Eltorro, I wouldnt take the shot unless the deer was standing still @ 358, but @ 40 yards, consider it dead.
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Darryl, I was merely reffering to this post:

walksalot said:
Hands down, running shot.:p Here in B.C. we don't spray and pray.:p :eek:
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Anyone else shooting from the hip, or is just us Ontarians?
 
senior said:
Of course our goal is to dispatch with the animal as quickly and as painlessly as possible "If we sit back and determine that lots of animals are getting away wounded then one must rethink one's hunting strategy" !
I personally don't know of any camps in our area where that happens.
I would sure like to question WHAT other stratagy is available??
In this area probably 1/2 of all deer are shot running or trotting that's a normal & expected thing to do. The notion of passing up a shot because it's not a "perfect" shot is foreign to this way of hunting! But remember, in our situations that may very well be the ONLY animal you see during the hunt. The notion of seeing even 10 deer during the hunt would certainly be very pleasing but we hunt for meat not horns or body mass!
Another fact also remains is that camp hunting is primarily a social event with a hunting theme! In many cases camps are made up of several generations of families, & with work the way it is now days may be one of the few times a year you can enjoy time with your siblings or relatives or even just friends! We hunt hard but enjoy the evenings even more:)
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One must never loose sight of the fact we are hunting creatures with a central nervous system and they feel pain also. While everyone is socializing back at the camp these animals must try and function with wounds so horrific it would make the most calloused person wince. If one could be a leaf on a tree and observe the suffering a wounded animal goes through the atmosphere back at the camp might not be so jubilant.
No one can tell me if no deer were shot that the hunters would starve. It would be far cheaper to buy a side of beef when one sits down and crunches the numbers of what a hunter spends during the season.
My idea of hunting obviosly differs a great deal from others but hey, that's just me.
 
:D good story 1899.

When I was 14 I had a similar experience. A beautiful whitetail buck burst out of the trees about 15m in front of me. Rattled me but good! The clearing was maybe 20-25m wide and I got off 4 shots before he was back in the trees. It was not good shooting, but it was the fastest shooting my dad had ever heard from a 7mm magnum. He was on my side, just down the hill and shot it in the neck as it broke cover again.

Anyway, a bolt action can be cycled plenty fast when you have buck fever :D

I have used semis, levers, and bolts for big game, and semis and pumps for fowl. There is no question that when engaging multiple targets in close cover a semi auto is faster than anything else - except a double of course.

However, I am also comfortable enough with my ability to shoot rapidly with a pump, lever, or bolt action firearm that I usually use them to hunt with in preferrence to semis. Not because I feel that I can shoot as fast with a '94 Winchester as I could with a Remington 7400, but because I feel I can shoot it fast enough. And I like using the little '94 Trapper in dense brush. It takes me back years.
 
walksalot said:
One must never loose sight of the fact we are hunting creatures with a central nervous system and they feel pain also. While everyone is socializing back at the camp these animals must try and function with wounds so horrific it would make the most calloused person wince. If one could be a leaf on a tree and observe the suffering a wounded animal goes through the atmosphere back at the camp might not be so jubilant.
No one can tell me if no deer were shot that the hunters would starve. It would be far cheaper to buy a side of beef when one sits down and crunches the numbers of what a hunter spends during the season.
My idea of hunting obviosly differs a great deal from others but hey, that's just me.
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I sure would like to know where your getting the sickningly repetative idea there's a bunch of animals running around wounded because other huners don't hunt by your method?? :confused:

"While everyone is socializing back at the camp these animals must try and function with wounds so horrific it would make the most calloused person wince."

Yes I told a story about 1 that's (one) that got away, but I sure didn't go back to camp to celibrate the occasion & the fact is that made a total of 2 (two) unretreaved animals since 1988!

There's 1000 times more animals that starve to death :rolleyes:

I'm beginning to think you (Walksalot) are an arrogent self centered (insert derogritory word here) :mad:

You let on it's OK to lung shoot an animal & wait for it to die :rolleyes: but on the other hand preach to the rest about a bunch of therectical animals running around wounded .
Oh I forgot you do it the correct way... head shot right :eek:

Another wonderful couple thoughts "No one can tell me if no deer were shot that the hunters would starve." so I guess no one has a reason to hunt then eh???
"My idea of hunting obviosly differs a great deal from others but hey, that's just me."
So tell me the method & reason you hunt???
Do you NEED the meat?? or
Do you need to PROVE your wonderful hunting & shooting abilities??

You SIR are a real "prize"...:p :p
 
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I sure would like to know where your getting the sickningly repetative idea there's a bunch of animals running around wounded because other huners don't hunt by your method?? :confused:

"While everyone is socializing back at the camp these animals must try and function with wounds so horrific it would make the most calloused person wince."

Yes I told a story about 1 that's (one) that got away, but I sure didn't go back to camp to celibrate the occasion & the fact is that made a total of 2 (two) unretreaved animals since 1988!

There's 1000 times more animals that starve to death :rolleyes:

I'm beginning to think you (Walksalot) are an arrogent self centered (insert derogritory word here) :mad:

You let on it's OK to lung shoot an animal & wait for it to die :rolleyes: but on the other hand preach to the rest about a bunch of therectical animals running around wounded .
Oh I forgot you do it the correct way... head shot right :eek:

Another wonderful couple thoughts "No one can tell me if no deer were shot that the hunters would starve." so I guess no one has a reason to hunt then eh???
"My idea of hunting obviosly differs a great deal from others but hey, that's just me."
So tell me the method & reason you hunt???
Do you NEED the meat?? or
Do you need to PROVE your wonderful hunting & shooting abilities??

You SIR are a real "prize"...:p :p
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Interesting response.:eek: I struck a nerve did I.;)
 
The notion of passing up a shot because it's not a "perfect" shot is foreign to this way of hunting! But remember, in our situations that may very well be the ONLY animal you see during the hunt.
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I would never consider taking a low percentage shot just because I might not get another opportunity.I don't need the animal that badly.
 
Ok gotta say it....if it were the last day of the season and I was most likely my last chance, I'd take a chance. There. I said it. Least I didn't lie. Flame away!!! Do I "need" it?...not really, but it would be hard without the extra meat in the freezer so I'd take the chance.
 
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