Has anyone ever truly needed the fast follow up of a semi?

Senior has undoubtedly had to track and even lost wounded animals, I know I sure have... too damn many if the truth be told! It is this undeniable truth that only experienced hunters can acknowledge and be humbled by.

This speaks volumes for a hunting strategy and ones warped definition of a hunter. If I thought for a minute this was the hunting strategy of most Canadian hunters I would be a card packing member of PETA in a heartbeat.:(
Many hunters I know in B.C. have never lost an animal and this is in a lifetime of hunting. Mind you, these lads are hunters.;)
 
SuperCub said:
I have come to the conclusion that Redd must have lived a VERY LONG time. Probably longer than Noah's 950 years (Genesis 9:29). :eek:

I base this conclusion on the fact that nobody can know as much, and have as many opinions, as Redd, and live a normal lifetime of 70 plus years. :D



sc
I appreciate the reference to Noah... Super. And it is easy to have opinions... it is much harder to back them up with knowledge.:D ;)

walksalot said:
Senior has undoubtedly had to track and even lost wounded animals, I know I sure have... too damn many if the truth be told! It is this undeniable truth that only experienced hunters can acknowledge and be humbled by.

This speaks volumes for a hunting strategy and ones warped definition of a hunter. If I thought for a minute this was the hunting strategy of most Canadian hunters I would be a card packing member of PETA in a heartbeat.
Many hunters I know in B.C. have never lost an animal and this is in a lifetime of hunting. Mind you, these lads are hunters.

You are the furthest thing from a hunter in my view... your narrow minded perception of hunting is only exceeded by your singular lack of intellect.
Your posts and opinions seem born of frustration and discontent, not those of a successful and learned hunter.
Sorry about your luck.:(
 
I remember when I started this thread I was seriously just looking for specific situations that anyone may have encountered in whch the semi-auto follow up speed was truly benificial. I haved very much enjoyed the banter however and at the same time have gained some insight of the original question. How does it get better than that?
Thanks guys
 
walksalot said:
Senior has undoubtedly had to track and even lost wounded animals, I know I sure have... too damn many if the truth be told! It is this undeniable truth that only experienced hunters can acknowledge and be humbled by.

Did you grasp this info from my earlier post where I had to track one this past year & admitted loosing it? Did you also read the part where I stated that was the second lost animal since 1988??

Now you contradict yourself with a statement like "I know I sure have... too damn many if the truth be told!" :eek: :eek:

Perhaps you are NOT the hunter you thought you are ?? or perhaps you can't keep up with the fabrications you make up as you go along :rolleyes:

jdemora;
It's to bad some are so narrow-minded they can't grasp that there are diff hunting situations requiring diff methods & equipment! It's even worse when they inject their own limited point (factually unsubstantuated) of view & attempt to insult everyone else that differs from it :redface:
Fortunately most members on the forum are smart enough to grasp this concept & are able to learn or even just enjoy the experiences other share:)
 
Of that I am fully aware, there will always be differing opinions and I guess that is the beauty of debate, it does help when you can consider the comments based on others actual experiences and that is the enjoyment for me and helps the learning process also.
thanks guys for the input
 
jdemora said:
Of that I am fully aware, there will always be differing opinions and I guess that is the beauty of debate, it does help when you can consider the comments based on others actual experiences and that is the enjoyment for me and helps the learning process also.
thanks guys for the input
This past season I shot two Bucks with a semi... both were walking on the first shot and running fullout after. I shot the the first one three times and two of the hits were vital zone and one hit was a little forward and broke the leg and cut the brisket. Even though though this deer was dead on the first shot I had no way of knowing. The funny thing was the one bad shot that dropped him was the non-vital leg hit. This shot caused him to drop right at the edge of cover and possible saved me a long tracking job.
The second buck was a tough one because it was very low light and he was in very long grass. I felt the first shot was good but he showed no indication and ran in a circle back to where he had come from.... a huge fricken swamp!
I lead him and when his vitals cleared the grass I pulled a second shot... he covered another twenty feet in the air as I put the crosshairs back on him but he folded into the grass and never got up. The third shot was still in chamber and the gun on my shoulder as I walked the 150 yards to where he lay. If he had raised his head I would have shot him again.
Neither of these instances was longer than a few seconds and both were during a heavy snowfall. Am I glad I was shooting a Semi?... you betcha!
Was a semi neccesary... I can't say for sure with either of these kills, but for many more it was and I am not about to quit carrying one anytime soon.;)
Wanna see the pictures walksalot?:p
 
This past season I shot two Bucks with a semi... both were walking on the first shot and running fullout after. I shot the the first one three times and two of the hits were vital zone and one hit was a little forward and broke the leg and cut the brisket. Even though though this deer was dead on the first shot I had no way of knowing. The funny thing was the one bad shot that dropped him was the non-vital leg hit. This shot caused him to drop right at the edge of cover and possible saved me a long tracking job.
The second buck was a tough one because it was very low light and he was in very long grass. I felt the first shot was good but he showed no indication and ran in a circle back to where he had come from.... a huge fricken swamp!
I lead him and when his vitals cleared the grass I pulled a second shot... he covered another twenty feet in the air as I put the crosshairs back on him but he folded into the grass and never got up. The third shot was still in chamber and the gun on my shoulder as I walked the 150 yards to where he lay. If he had raised his head I would have shot him again.
Neither of these instances was longer than a few seconds and both were during a heavy snowfall. Am I glad I was shooting a Semi?... you betcha!
Was a semi neccesary... I can't say for sure with either of these kills, but for many more it was and I am not about to quit carrying one anytime soon.
Wanna see the pictures walksalot?

After reading this I wonder , and then just decided it would better to paste the info again so folks could read it again and come to their own conclusions on follow up shots.Its pretty clear in the text above.

My goal , even as a trophy hunter part time, depending on time left in the season,bag limit, and such, but in all cases ,to save as much meat as poss. on a critter.
One example , ref. bag limit , was hunting a quarter section that was partly cleared , remainder in the process, ie brush piles. My buddy spoted 2 does about 600 meters away. I said , Iam gonna put the sneak on them, had a Ruger #1 with a 6x42 leupold. Anyway I snuck up behind the closest pile of brush 225 meters from the feeding deer. A decent rest and took the shot.
My buddy was watching through bino's from his position.
Well at the shot , up comes the tail flagging left and right as it went outa sight in a dip in the large field. I could not beleave I had missed even at that range from a rest.
I walked up to where I could see the rest of the fields edge, and there was a deer looking back towards me, still in the field. I thought my buddy had knocked my scope showing the rifle to a fella that came by the camp the night before so I passed on another shot.
He came up to me and said, what happened?, you missed! I don't know man, I figured it was a great shot, but that deer did not even flinch, tail flagging. Then I ragged on him a bit about knocking the scope.lol, He took offence to that ,LOL.
As we were wondering what had happened , and to go the rest of the way and check where they were standing, he said , whats that , a magpie flew down and was sitting on something. A closer look through the bino's and it was my deer. It had the top of the heart , and both lungs messed up, with a pass through , very little expansion of the bullet , did not hit bone.
Had I shot the other deer I would have been in a mess a trouble with a 1 deer limit.
What am I getting at , that first shot may be better than you think, and the deer may not show signs of being hit. Putting follow up shots into a deer that may be gonna die anyway, will only result in more meat loss to the hunter.
Frank
 
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What am I getting at , that first shot may be better than you think, and the deer may not show signs of being hit. Putting follow up shots into a deer that may be gonna die anyway, will only result in more meat loss to the hunter.
I agree Frank however, noted that you were hunting in a LARGE field! If you had been in thick cover where even a good blood trail can be difficult to track, you may have lost it.
I have on a few occasions shot unsuspecting moose where you know your single well placed shot did the job & it's not going far:) I have also shot them more than once even thou I knew the first shot was good, but if he's headed to a "bad" place (moose hunters know where that may be) you just gotta get him down.

"After reading this I wonder , and then just decided it would better to paste the info again so folks could read it again and come to their own conclusions on follow up shots.Its pretty clear in the text above."

I got your insinuations here but I have to wonder if instead of seeing 100s of deer a year you had only saw one, many eastern hunters may go a few years with-out seeing or getting a decent shot. I to wonder how picky you would be then? would you then take a slightly iffy shot!! Talk is easy but real life can be much diff!

You example on bag limits is also totally diff! Here you would shoot the second deer even if you knew the first was down:) Party hunting is perfectly legal eg 10 men in hunting gang..10 tags available for anyone in the gang to use:) And in fact in Ont if you hunt moose it's basically impossible to hunt for anything other than calves unless you do hunt in a gang as our MNR requires upwards of 10 tags to succesfully get a (one) adult cow or bull tag!!
 
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Originally Posted by BIGREDD
Wanna see the pictures walksalot?

walksalot said:
Isn't that Adobe Photoshop program amazing.:p

TROLLING...TROLLING...TROLLING...TROLLING...

Do a search you'll find lots of real pics of BREDD & with a quite a few other RESPECTED members of Gunnutz:)

Love your little blurb about me :D :D
Maybe next time get a mature 14 year old to help you!
Sounds like something a 8 year old would put together :eek:
Oh dear now I've also brought your education into question :D
 
Its a tough call, that sportsman have to make when in the field, with maybe no one, but them to decide what is or is not the correct path.
Some learn from experience good and bad.
That does not mean that knowledge can not be gained else where, by this I mean the shooting range, spending time in the field, reading books, studying the game of your choice to take full advantage of the places they live, that you may only frequent during hunting season. A step ahead of the animal being hunted goes a long way in taking that animal cleanly , and not putting yourself in a position of having to make a choice of to shoot or not to shoot.
Like the deer at the edge , was it the deer I shot at, or was it the other one?where did the deer go that I shot at?
The buck after 21 days, is that just plain stupid to hunt that long , then pass on a doe. In my mind I was mad at myself for not seeing more deer during that time, and did not want to drag a doe 3 miles. There was all sorts of winey stuff cropping up in my mind , till I really looked back at the fun I did have in the field, the cooking, the drinking with friends at the fire side, and that beautiful woods we hunt in , from the swamps to the hardwood ridges. Sign left behind by the bucks in the area that get you scanning the woods , and much more careful of not putting down too much of your scent.
Its all fun , and up to us all to decide whats right , with not aloth of time to decide at times. Good hunting , take a 40 to the camp , take your shots wisely , not to fall in the fire:D
Frank
 
Levi Garrett said:
After reading this I wonder , and then just decided it would better to paste the info again so folks could read it again and come to their own conclusions on follow up shots.Its pretty clear in the text above.

My goal , even as a trophy hunter part time, depending on time left in the season,bag limit, and such, but in all cases ,to save as much meat as poss. on a critter.
One example , ref. bag limit , was hunting a quarter section that was partly cleared , remainder in the process, ie brush piles. My buddy spotted 2 does about 600 meters away. I said , Iam gonna put the sneak on them, had a Ruger #1 with a 6x42 leupold. Anyway I snuck up behind the closest pile of brush 225 meters from the feeding deer. A decent rest and took the shot.
My buddy was watching through bino's from his position.
Well at the shot , up comes the tail flagging left and right as it went outa sight in a dip in the large field. I could not beleave I had missed even at that range from a rest.
I walked up to where I could see the rest of the fields edge, and there was a deer looking back towards me, still in the field. I thought my buddy had knocked my scope showing the rifle to a fella that came by the camp the night before so I passed on another shot.
He came up to me and said, what happened?, you missed! I don't know man, I figured it was a great shot, but that deer did not even flinch, tail flagging. Then I ragged on him a bit about knocking the scope.lol, He took offence to that ,LOL.
As we were wondering what had happened , and to go the rest of the way and check where they were standing, he said , whats that , a magpie flew down and was sitting on something. A closer look through the bino's and it was my deer. It had the top of the heart , and both lungs messed up, with a pass through , very little expansion of the bullet , did not hit bone.
Had I shot the other deer I would have been in a mess a trouble with a 1 deer limit.
What am I getting at , that first shot may be better than you think, and the deer may not show signs of being hit. Putting follow up shots into a deer that may be gonna die anyway, will only result in more meat loss to the hunter.
Frank

Well Frank your post leaves me wondering as well... what exactly are you inferring.:confused:

Your circumstance and mine are so vastly different that the comparison is contradictory in every way.

Firstly I was using a semi sluggun with a low-power large field of view scope and shooting offhand at around 100 yards on moving deer in partial cover with heavy cover close by.
I would revel in the luxury of shooting a high powered rifle and a high magnification scope from a good rest at deer feeding in a field at long range.

Secondly I never lost sight of either deer while I was shooting at them and shooting multiple deer is quite acceptable and legal in my area. We have three tags per hunter and party hunting is legal. Putting multiple shots in a deer that may be well hit and may be going to die is just the smart thing to do... especially when you are dealing with Maybes! A slug does not usually cause massive amounts of blood shot meat like a high powered bullet. And a found deer with three holes in it puts a lot more meat in the freezer than the rare one that runs into a swamp and is lost.
Your circumstance was well thought out by you and your partner and you obviously took the proper course of action by withholding on a follow up shot.
I think your post and mine put the disparity between hunting styles into context... and completely validates the different choices in firearms.:cool:
I just can't figure out whether you are criticising my choices or agreeing with them.:confused:
Give it a name...;)
 
I just can't figure out whether you are criticising my choices or agreeing with them.
Give it a name...
And thats perfectly fine, I would never push hunting methods on other hunters, for fear of looking like I was the authority on all that is hunting. Which would be a foolish thing to do on a forum like this with so many true sportsman about.
Hunting is like spoting a 10 in a Bar, and your faced with 10-1 odds against.
Your best hunting methods have to shine through:D
Frank
 
senior said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGREDD
Wanna see the pictures walksalot?





Do a search you'll find lots of real pics of BREDD & with a quite a few other RESPECTED members of Gunnutz:)

Love your little blurb about me :D :D
Maybe next time get a mature 14 year old to help you!
Sounds like something a 8 year old would put together :eek:
Oh dear now I've also brought your education into question :D


TROLLING...TROLLING...TROLLING...TROLLING....
Although the streams are swollen
Keep them deer amoving Rawhide

Get em movin shootem up
Tag em later stackem up
Keep them guns a blazing Rawhide.
 
Levi Garrett said:
My buddy was watching through bino's from his position.
Well at the shot , up comes the tail flagging left and right as it went outa sight in a dip in the large field. I could not beleave I had missed even at that range from a rest.
...........As we were wondering what had happened , and to go the rest of the way and check where they were standing, he said , whats that , a magpie flew down and was sitting on something. A closer look through the bino's and it was my deer. It had the top of the heart , and both lungs messed up, with a pass through , very little expansion of the bullet , did not hit bone.
Had I shot the other deer I would have been in a mess a trouble with a 1 deer limit.
What am I getting at , that first shot may be better than you think, and the deer may not show signs of being hit. Putting follow up shots into a deer that may be gonna die anyway, will only result in more meat loss to the hunter.
Frank

Have you had been blessed with a semiauto, a follow-up shot on your "heart shot" deer were more than the norm.
So ..... after the missed shot, the only thing that stopped you to shoot at the second deer was your inability to reload fast enough?
After not even checking if the "missed" one was wounded? I doubt that an experienced hunter like you would do such a thing.

my feeling is that you're using this experince to justify YOUR choice for one hunting tool or another, rather than convincing somebody else of it.
And this , sir, is more than fine by me.

Many of us will still use semis, trying to engage the same target until it stands no more:p .
 
To get back on the use of semi-auto's for hunting for quick fellow up shoots, my Garand's firing pin broke while doing some target shooting. I find that when comparing Garand's firing pin with the firing pins of the turn bolt Mauser's or Lee-Enfield's, the Garand loses, it looks flimsy and frail compared to Mauser's or Lee-Enfield's firing pins. Therefore I will stop using this fine semi-auto for hunting, and instead using turn bolts or levers on my future hunts.
 
Don't stop shooting untill the amimal stops moving! When we hunt in close cover we need semi autos. Once the animal leaves the trail it becomes almost impossible to fine. Put 3 or 4 bullets into it and it shouldn't venture too far and escape. I put 5 30-06 180gr bullets into a moose standing 50 yards broadside to me. Watched the bullets hit just behind the front shoulder...it still went 100 yards. This fall I am bringing my shotgun. I have no faith in that little 30-06 anymore...
 
When we hunt in close cover we need semi autos. Once the animal leaves the trail it becomes almost impossible to fine. Put 3 or 4 bullets into it and it shouldn't venture too far and escape. I put 5 30-06 180gr bullets into a moose standing 50 yards broadside to me. Watched the bullets hit just behind the front shoulder...it still went 100 yards.

No hunter "needs a semi auto" to hunt,although you might choose to use one.If you can't follow a blood trail,or are afraid to leave the trails,perhaps it is a good idea to shoot each animal three or four times.If you put five 180gr bullets out of your 30-06 into a moose at 50 yards and it still travelled 100 yards,you should consider a different bullet or a different cartridge.:D
 
I once wounded a gopher with my 10/22 and was sure glad i had lots of quick follow up shots............he turned on me and was headed straight for me. I could have been killed if i had a bolt action
 
stubblejumper said:
If you put five 180gr bullets out of your 30-06 into a moose at 50 yards and it still travelled 100 yards,you should consider a different bullet or a different cartridge.:D


Moose can be a very tough animal, I've put 2 3" mag slugs from a 12 gauge into the lungs of a moose, one left an exit hole you could put your fist through, she still managed to get close on a 100 yards before dropping. Altough she was'nt very hard at all to track, there was no shortage of blood to follow. A 30-06 is certainly sufficient to bring down a moose, most people around here only have old .303's or even 30-30's, they do the job but range is limited especially when compared to the newer cartridges. I've seen a good many moose killed and very rarely do they drop where they are to on the first shot, unless it's hit in the spine. However, that being said, my next purchase will be bigger than a 30-06.

My father made a shot at a moose a couple years ago, the bullet passed through one lung and took the end out of the other. The moose went a little ways and lid down. However dad made the mistake of walking up on it too soon and believe it or not the animal still had enough life in it to swim across a fair size pond before it lay down again! We did get the animal later and couldn't believe it went that far with that kind of damage to the lungs.:confused:
 
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