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Were you an extra in Caddy Shack, those gophers were pretty mean.
Frank
Has anyone ever truly needed the fast follow up of a semi?
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Frank
I had a moose run 200 yards with 3 12ga sabot slugs in it. It's liver was hanging out the side as it was running away. Lungs were destroyed, and a shot to the neck. Without the last follow up shot who knows how far it would have gone. Every slug passed clean through with an approx. 3-4" hole on the other side. With only one shot, I don't think we would have got that animal.
On the other hand...i've watched somebody take down a moose with a single shot from a .22 mag.
I put the 5 shots into that moose I was talking about because it was getting dark and it would have been impossible to track that aminal. I needed to prevent the animal from traveling too far into the woods and possibly losing it. Needless to say, it still traveled 100 yards. I was using remington core-lockt 180gr bullets. It took 5 hours and 10 guys with flashlights to find the downed animal. We got out of the woods at 3 in the morning...
On the other hand...i've watched somebody take down a moose with a single shot from a .22 mag.
I put the 5 shots into that moose I was talking about because it was getting dark and it would have been impossible to track that aminal. I needed to prevent the animal from traveling too far into the woods and possibly losing it. Needless to say, it still traveled 100 yards. I was using remington core-lockt 180gr bullets. It took 5 hours and 10 guys with flashlights to find the downed animal. We got out of the woods at 3 in the morning...
stubblejumper said:No hunter "needs a semi auto" to hunt,although you might choose to use one.If you can't follow a blood trail,or are afraid to leave the trails,perhaps it is a good idea to shoot each animal three or four times.If you put five 180gr bullets out of your 30-06 into a moose at 50 yards and it still travelled 100 yards,you should consider a different bullet or a different cartridge.
You are making a lot of assumptions here.
You assume the animal is going to bleed... I have seen many heart shots that left little or no blood trail. If the heart is not pumping and the holes are plugged with fat, hair or meat how are they gonna bleed? I also have witnessed many animals that have run well over a hundred yards with no heart.
Or maybe your going to follow tracks? In our area the deer are so prolific that the trails look like cattle paths. Trying to sort one set of tracks out from the others is impossible.
In this province not only do we have thick cover, we also have lakes and swamps. Last time I checked it was pretty tough tracking underwater...
Your dismissive attitude and narrow minded view of hunting is typical of many hunters. What you do is right so everybody else must be wrong. This is an elitist attitude that is born of ignorance not experience.
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Did you turn the person in to wildlife officials?
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I use single shots .
I have muzzle loaders , falling blocks , Sniders, Martinis, and a couple of singlke shot bolt guns.
I never worried about the second shot when I'm shooting the "first" one.
I hunt in close cover, open fileds, and long range on river banks.
I also handload for quite a few fellas who shoot pump guns, bolt guns, and semis, alll repeaters.
These guys hunt pretty well the same country.
I shoot singles because I like them, not because I think I am a better shot than most people.
In fact, I'm a terrible shot with a semi, so I guess I should state that for me, I'm a better shot with a single than a semi.
I do know people that hunt with them and like them.
I have also read here that you "need them in Ontario"
My father hunted there for years and nevr use one, nor did the people he hunted with.....
Cat
I have muzzle loaders , falling blocks , Sniders, Martinis, and a couple of singlke shot bolt guns.
I never worried about the second shot when I'm shooting the "first" one.
I hunt in close cover, open fileds, and long range on river banks.
I also handload for quite a few fellas who shoot pump guns, bolt guns, and semis, alll repeaters.
These guys hunt pretty well the same country.
I shoot singles because I like them, not because I think I am a better shot than most people.
In fact, I'm a terrible shot with a semi, so I guess I should state that for me, I'm a better shot with a single than a semi.
I do know people that hunt with them and like them.
I have also read here that you "need them in Ontario"
My father hunted there for years and nevr use one, nor did the people he hunted with.....
Cat
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Pretty much my way of thinking Cat. And to add to that you don't have to ask a fella that you see in the field with a single shot what he/she is using for ammo, because they know exactly what that cartridge will do, where as some other folks out there don't even know what brand of factory they have , and to suggest that they may know the bullet weight would be a joke.
Frank
Frank
catnthehatt said:
Might I ask the diff in sites between a single & an auto that would make one shoot better than the other?
Does that also apply if both actions have scopes
That's gotta be the weirdest thing I ever heard of
"I'm a terrible shot with a semi,
I'm a better shot with a single"
catnthehatt said:In fact, I'm a terrible shot with a semi, so I guess I should state that for me, I'm a better shot with a single than a semi.
I do know people that hunt with them and like them.
I honestly believe this to be the case and I think it is purely a psychological phenomenon. I think a person with a single shot knows he/she has to make that one shot count whereas a person with a semi auto knows there are 4 or five shots, depending if they load it to the nuts, as fast as one can recover from the recoil, get back on target and pull the trigger, all the while the gun never leaves the shoulder. Unless it jams and then those infamous words WHAT THE F#*k.
Originally Posted by stubblejumper
No hunter "needs a semi auto" to hunt
That's perfectly true, of course by the same logic..
Nobody NEEDS a automobile capable of exceeding the speed limit!
Nobody NEEDS a .300wm when a 308 does the job...
Nobody NEEDS more than one rifle & one shotgun...
Originally posted by BIGREDD
Your dismissive attitude and narrow minded view of hunting is typical of many hunters. What you do is right so everybody else must be wrong. This is an elitist attitude that is born of ignorance not experience.
Actually sounds a little more like IN-experience. Anybody that has shot any number of moose especially moose that have spotted something to get their addreneline going knows sometimes they just don't fall down, & roll over for you to start the gutting process
No hunter "needs a semi auto" to hunt
That's perfectly true, of course by the same logic..
Nobody NEEDS a automobile capable of exceeding the speed limit!
Nobody NEEDS a .300wm when a 308 does the job...
Nobody NEEDS more than one rifle & one shotgun...
Originally posted by BIGREDD
Your dismissive attitude and narrow minded view of hunting is typical of many hunters. What you do is right so everybody else must be wrong. This is an elitist attitude that is born of ignorance not experience.
Actually sounds a little more like IN-experience. Anybody that has shot any number of moose especially moose that have spotted something to get their addreneline going knows sometimes they just don't fall down, & roll over for you to start the gutting process
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senior said:Might I ask the diff in sites between a single & an auto that would make one shoot better than the other?
Does that also apply if both actions have scopes
That's gotta be the weirdest thing I ever heard of
"I'm a terrible shot with a semi,
I'm a better shot with a single"
Oh, BELIVE ME, it is so TRUE!!
Give me a semi ANYTHING and after the first shot . she's "SPRAY AND PRAY, " Partner!!
I never could get the menta control to shoot those things!
I have always killed mopre ducks and used less ammo with my doubles and singles than when I borrowed a bud's auto, amnd don't even let me NEAR a 10/22 with at least a CAN of ammo.!
It is pure phsycological of course, but I never could get passed it.....
Everybody that knows me knows my rule also.
Idon't leave the range with loaded ammo!
So, if I had a semi I would also have FAR LESS range time!
I'll stick to what I can shoot...
Cat
catnthehatt said:Oh, BELIVE ME, it is so TRUE!!
Give me a semi ANYTHING and after the first shot . she's "SPRAY AND PRAY, " Partner!!
I never could get the mental control to shoot those things!
Cat
after the first shot . she's "SPRAY AND PRAY, "At least your honest unlike some here that because they have a control problem they assume everyone must have a control problem
I understand your fasination with singles had a few Rugers at one time!
because I hunt moose in large cuts I would even hunt with one Only tried one once for deer, when venison number 2 & 3 run right on by, the frustration level just became to high. Then tried levers but have a hard time dividing my attention between targets & the act of reloading
Shot lots with one shot but when follow-ups are required the auto is the answer for me.
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The Bar is one of the most accurate semi's I have seen in action, 7 mag, 3 in one hole, I was impressed. And that was a fella just sighting in to go moose hunting with factory ammo
Frank
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I would not concern myself with views of others, and the same can be said in defence of others. If a person has a gut feeling on why or what type of firearm he or she chooses, fine by me. Some do get emotional and defencive , which is perfectly normal. After all if someone told me that I was out of touch using a selfbow to hunt deer, I may get a bit excited in defending this hunting method.
Frank
Do we need self-loaders in Ont?
No we dont.I have however needed a second and sometimes a third shot.Its not a matter of need its a matter of preference.Sometimes I prefer to use a self-loader.I also use pumps,levers,and bolts.
Do semi-auto hunters spray and pray?
Another no.I have seen hunters using pumps,levers,and bolts do this.There is a pretty good chance if you spay and pray with a self-loader you will do the same with any other repeating gun.A gun no matter the action is only as good as the person shooting it.
Hunting and shooting is about variety.Be it the gun we use,to the game we prefer to hunt,to the province we like to do it in.This is the allure to the sport.We have to stand together to keep it.Nobody else is going to stand up for our sport.
The bolt/single hunters shooter questioning ethics of the pump/lever/self-loader hunters.Bow hunters vs gun hunters or the other way around.Stand hunters questioning drive hunters.Eastern ethics VS Western ethics.This is not a good thing.We may be just stiring a pot we dont want our spoon in.
No we dont.I have however needed a second and sometimes a third shot.Its not a matter of need its a matter of preference.Sometimes I prefer to use a self-loader.I also use pumps,levers,and bolts.
Do semi-auto hunters spray and pray?
Another no.I have seen hunters using pumps,levers,and bolts do this.There is a pretty good chance if you spay and pray with a self-loader you will do the same with any other repeating gun.A gun no matter the action is only as good as the person shooting it.
Hunting and shooting is about variety.Be it the gun we use,to the game we prefer to hunt,to the province we like to do it in.This is the allure to the sport.We have to stand together to keep it.Nobody else is going to stand up for our sport.
The bolt/single hunters shooter questioning ethics of the pump/lever/self-loader hunters.Bow hunters vs gun hunters or the other way around.Stand hunters questioning drive hunters.Eastern ethics VS Western ethics.This is not a good thing.We may be just stiring a pot we dont want our spoon in.
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Do semi-auto hunters spray and pray?
Another no.I have seen hunters using pumps,levers,and bolts do this.There is a pretty good chance if you spay and pray with a self-loader you will do the same with any other repeating gun.A gun no matter the action is only as good as the person shooting it.
Anybody who has seen me speed load my muzzle loaders will tell you I'm prett fast and accurate with them.
Also, anybody who has seen me shoot a target rifle will tell you I can hit targets
and anybody who has seen me shoot a 10/22 , a BA, A remignto semi, or any other semi for that matter is likely trying to figure out where the short is in my brain after the first shot!!
I have seen some awesome semis that were super accurate, and with me behind them, as long as I ony single loaded!
Cat
Another no.I have seen hunters using pumps,levers,and bolts do this.There is a pretty good chance if you spay and pray with a self-loader you will do the same with any other repeating gun.A gun no matter the action is only as good as the person shooting it.
Anybody who has seen me speed load my muzzle loaders will tell you I'm prett fast and accurate with them.
Also, anybody who has seen me shoot a target rifle will tell you I can hit targets
and anybody who has seen me shoot a 10/22 , a BA, A remignto semi, or any other semi for that matter is likely trying to figure out where the short is in my brain after the first shot!!
I have seen some awesome semis that were super accurate, and with me behind them, as long as I ony single loaded!
Cat
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This is an elitist attitude that is born of ignorance not experience.
Sure, call it experience, but a truly experienced hunter knows that different doesnt equal wrong.
Something a number if you westerners cant seem to get your head around.
I guess you cant teach an old dog new tricks... But after shooting a hundred heads of game, you know everything there is to know about hunting, and we out east just do it wrong
I can shoot as well as anyone on this site with whatever rifle you give me, Thus giving me the right to choose what particular firearm I want to hunt/shoot with. Once again, the assumption that semi= Bad hunter is sad, but what can you expect from some people who see different and automatically assume... Where Im from, its called prejudice...
whats a matter western guys, afraid a guy with a semi will be as successful as you, and prove you wrong?
Cat, IM like that with rimfire semi's. Its not as important to shoot a one inch group @ 100 as it is to shoot a 2.5 inch group @ 50 in 4-5 seconds
Sometimes its supposed to be fun too
This is an elitist attitude that is born of ignorance not experience.
Elitist, Intolerant of others views, same ####, different pile.stubblejumper said:So taking over 100 head of big game in locations varying from muskeg swamps,to heavy timber,to agricultural fields, to the the prairie grasslands ,to the mountains,does not count as experience?
Sure, call it experience, but a truly experienced hunter knows that different doesnt equal wrong.
Something a number if you westerners cant seem to get your head around.
I guess you cant teach an old dog new tricks... But after shooting a hundred heads of game, you know everything there is to know about hunting, and we out east just do it wrong
I can shoot as well as anyone on this site with whatever rifle you give me, Thus giving me the right to choose what particular firearm I want to hunt/shoot with. Once again, the assumption that semi= Bad hunter is sad, but what can you expect from some people who see different and automatically assume... Where Im from, its called prejudice...
whats a matter western guys, afraid a guy with a semi will be as successful as you, and prove you wrong?
Cat, IM like that with rimfire semi's. Its not as important to shoot a one inch group @ 100 as it is to shoot a 2.5 inch group @ 50 in 4-5 seconds
Sometimes its supposed to be fun too
I for one have never posted that it was wrong to hunt with a semi auto,or that only poor hunters use them.I merely answered the original question asked in the first post of this thread,that being;
Has anyone ever "truly needed" the fast follow up of a semi.
You may choose to use a semi auto,but do you "truly need" a semi auto to be a successful hunter?
