Hastle for restricted? (Is it worth it)
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That's my reason.Dustin said:
I bought my first shortly after Alan Rock said only police and military should have them and ended up just making the 12-6 deadline by about week. Had to buy another prohib to ensure my grandfathering remained during the change to the new system because the CFC had screwed up my paperwork.
Damn Liberals keep making me buy these handguns. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
44fordy said he wasn't interested in joing a gun club or anything because he was mostly interested in hunting. Well, guys, puleese joing a club, or three. Our opponents are organized - de Libs got their riding associations and their national party, and the anti's got their NOW and Coalitions and the like. So, we got to be organized and have numbers. And, if you are not a member of an organization, you have no voice when the organizations sell you out, like SFC agreeing to mag limits, restricting battle rifles, etc, because shooters who were not actively participating in UIT events had left the fold, allowing the SFC executive to trade your rights for financial support for Olympic participation and seats on fat cat committees. It is the run of the mill gun owner who has to wise up and join up, to have a voice.
Go get your restricted. I owned restricted before the law changed needing the pal. I might have just given up on firearms but... the gov made me fill out one paper to get a pol and all I had to do was fill out the other side to get a pal. So they pissed me off enough to get it. Now I shoot IPSC and am happy I went through the trouble. If everyone who has a pal has restricted and owns handguns then it will make it much harder for them to take them away from us. If we don't stand united and the handgun dissapears then it'll be the rifles turn next. I should maybe thank the gov for the new gun laws though ... I used to own three or four guns before the law change now I own about 14 or so 2 of which are 12-6.
Reasons to get your restricted permit so far:
1. The gov't only makes it a hassle so they can eventually get rid of them; essentially they will claim so few people own them - they might as well ban them. Don't let them rail-road things.
2. The more people that get a restricted permit, the less likely that the government will ban them as they will loose more votes and piss of more people. Ask any owner of a FAMAS or SPAS-12, they will tell you a story or two.
3. Every restricted permit drives the cost of the registry up by a large amount - in essence you are fighting the good fight to de-register your duck-guns by buying a restricted. The registry has cost 2 Billion, every restricted adds significantly to that amount - shut it all down by showing how stupidly costly it is and how innefective it is.
4. By owning both restricteds and non-restricteds you are helping to solidify and unite the entire shooting community. Many of the current rules have been derrived from the in-fighting and fractual reality of firearms organizations in Canada. (far to long to explain here - but i'd be happy to explain in person or email)
5. Restricted firearms have brought together the shooting community, come join us. Previously many people only ever fired there firearms on the farm in the back 'forty etc. Now they are forced by the Lieberals to join a club - meet others that enjoy the sport, organize competitions and just in general shoot the stuff.
Every range has a different character / spirit with different benifits and detractors... join your local range and make it what you and the others want. Sitting on the sidelines and grumbling is what the lieberals want...
This is why the Ontario gov't makes the Ontario clubs run the ATT thing - that way people who are trying to get in the restricted game only have the club to blame ... not the gov't. It is absolutely brilliant in a way, have to credit the lieberals for that.
Club Secretary submits papers .... delay of many months, club looses member and bad-blood is generated amoung the clubs. Clubs never flourish... freaking genius....
Number one reason there are more clubs / shops out west and the ATT rules are more common sense.
Sorry for the length....
Have fun with the 'hand-cannon' IT IS WORTH IT!
:mrgreen:
1. The gov't only makes it a hassle so they can eventually get rid of them; essentially they will claim so few people own them - they might as well ban them. Don't let them rail-road things.
2. The more people that get a restricted permit, the less likely that the government will ban them as they will loose more votes and piss of more people. Ask any owner of a FAMAS or SPAS-12, they will tell you a story or two.
3. Every restricted permit drives the cost of the registry up by a large amount - in essence you are fighting the good fight to de-register your duck-guns by buying a restricted. The registry has cost 2 Billion, every restricted adds significantly to that amount - shut it all down by showing how stupidly costly it is and how innefective it is.
4. By owning both restricteds and non-restricteds you are helping to solidify and unite the entire shooting community. Many of the current rules have been derrived from the in-fighting and fractual reality of firearms organizations in Canada. (far to long to explain here - but i'd be happy to explain in person or email)
5. Restricted firearms have brought together the shooting community, come join us. Previously many people only ever fired there firearms on the farm in the back 'forty etc. Now they are forced by the Lieberals to join a club - meet others that enjoy the sport, organize competitions and just in general shoot the stuff.
Every range has a different character / spirit with different benifits and detractors... join your local range and make it what you and the others want. Sitting on the sidelines and grumbling is what the lieberals want...
This is why the Ontario gov't makes the Ontario clubs run the ATT thing - that way people who are trying to get in the restricted game only have the club to blame ... not the gov't. It is absolutely brilliant in a way, have to credit the lieberals for that.
Club Secretary submits papers .... delay of many months, club looses member and bad-blood is generated amoung the clubs. Clubs never flourish... freaking genius....
Number one reason there are more clubs / shops out west and the ATT rules are more common sense.
Sorry for the length....
Have fun with the 'hand-cannon' IT IS WORTH IT!
:mrgreen:
If you want big and loud try a Magnum research BFR revolver in 45-70. The other thing about Connaught is you may need a second ATT if you are not a member there (DCRA, NCRRA, RCMP). In Ontario most ATT's say that you can transport to a CFO approved range in Ontario. Connaught is on federal property and is not a CFO approved range, it will usually require another ATT.
Are you still able to challenge the restricted exam? It took me only about 45 minutes to challenge the course a few years back, and if you have fairly decent knowledge of firearms safety it really isn't difficult. I'm not sure, how ever, if you can still do this, someone here will know better than me.
So you guys who own sweet ARs, etc. can only shoot them at ranges??
That's ridiculous!
Could someone help me figure out the rules and regulations that restricted holders must adhere to?
Here's what I've gathered so far:
- Restricted requires another course/challenge and license...
- Wait 8 weeks + for your license to be approved and then sent to you...
- You can then buy a restricted firearm - ie. a handgun or AR...
- You however, can't shoot your legally-acquired firearm, unless it's at a club or range...
- And, to be able to legally transport your legally-acquired firearm to the range, you need to:
--- Obtain written approval from the provincial government...
--- In Ontario, your license to transport must be requested by an executive at a firearm club where you are a member - ie. you can't do it yourself...
--- In Ontario, your license to transport is highly restricted - ie. 'from your house at 1234 main street, yourtown to gun club at 4321 country road, yourtown'...
--- In Ontario, the hours during which you transport your firearm are also restricted - ie. only between 9:00 am and 6:00 pm on weekends...
--- If you pull over to get gas between your house and the firearm club you are licensed to transport to, you are in violation of your license to transport...
So, what am I missing??
A couple of questions I had, are:
- Do you need an ATT to get a firearm from the dealer, to your home when you first purchase it?
- What if you buy from a private individual? do you need an ATT to take it from the seller's place of residence?
- What about sending restricted firearms through the mail? is it different than non-restricted firearms?
- Is it possible for someone with a non-restricted PAL to purchase restricted ammunition - ie. .223, 9 mm, etc. (I realize .223 is also used in non-restricted firearms)?
Also, does anyone know of anyone offering the restricted course anywere in ontario in the near future??
Thanks in advance for your help guys... I definitely will get my restricted license ASAP...
Just need to figure a couple of things out first so I know the 'rules'...
gappedout
That's ridiculous!
Could someone help me figure out the rules and regulations that restricted holders must adhere to?
Here's what I've gathered so far:
- Restricted requires another course/challenge and license...
- Wait 8 weeks + for your license to be approved and then sent to you...
- You can then buy a restricted firearm - ie. a handgun or AR...
- You however, can't shoot your legally-acquired firearm, unless it's at a club or range...
- And, to be able to legally transport your legally-acquired firearm to the range, you need to:
--- Obtain written approval from the provincial government...
--- In Ontario, your license to transport must be requested by an executive at a firearm club where you are a member - ie. you can't do it yourself...
--- In Ontario, your license to transport is highly restricted - ie. 'from your house at 1234 main street, yourtown to gun club at 4321 country road, yourtown'...
--- In Ontario, the hours during which you transport your firearm are also restricted - ie. only between 9:00 am and 6:00 pm on weekends...
--- If you pull over to get gas between your house and the firearm club you are licensed to transport to, you are in violation of your license to transport...
So, what am I missing??
A couple of questions I had, are:
- Do you need an ATT to get a firearm from the dealer, to your home when you first purchase it?
- What if you buy from a private individual? do you need an ATT to take it from the seller's place of residence?
- What about sending restricted firearms through the mail? is it different than non-restricted firearms?
- Is it possible for someone with a non-restricted PAL to purchase restricted ammunition - ie. .223, 9 mm, etc. (I realize .223 is also used in non-restricted firearms)?
Also, does anyone know of anyone offering the restricted course anywere in ontario in the near future??
Thanks in advance for your help guys... I definitely will get my restricted license ASAP...
Just need to figure a couple of things out first so I know the 'rules'...
gappedout
I've had my restricted license for about 6 years now but never bought any. I could buy them if I wanted, but they would have to stay in the house. If I did buy them, the seller would get a temp. ATT to ship them to me or I would apply for a temp. ATT to transport them home. This is a one shot deal separate from the coveted long term ATT.
If I wanted to shoot restricted firearms at the gun club I belong to, I needed to take a club level handgun course that the gun club would accept. I then phone the exec. and make an appointment to go through orientation at the club before he will submit a long term ATT for me.
This is the point that I am at now except that I am waiting for my course marks on Monday. I have bought a handgun and the seller is waiting for the temp. ATT to ship it to me. When I have the handgun at home, I will phone the exec. and make an appointment for orientation. I DO NOT bring the handgun with me, only record the make, model and serial # for his information so he can submit the ATT application. I ask for the most open amounts of time and places when and where I can take my restricted firearms.
After I get my ATT, and I assemble my very first AR, I phone the CFO to add this restricted firearm onto my ATT? I add subsequent restricted firearms onto my ATT myself without going through the gun club?
Handgun ammunition is not restricted.
You apply for the times you want to transport a restricted firearm.
In Ontario, you must belong to a gun club to shoot a restricted firearm legally.
You must take the most direct route between A (home) and B (range)
Depending on how far from the most direct route between A and B, you may get charged for violating your ATT but theoretically if you miss the entrance to the club and turn around, you are in violation.
Challenging the restricted exam will not be enough to get you an ATT with a gun club, they require proof of safety and so you take a handgun course.
How am I doing so far? All information concise and correct?
I originally decided to do this to swell the ranks of handgun owners but shooting these little critters are fun! I am doing the same thing with the AR, to increase the number of people owning them. Government be damned!
Sorry for the long post, but I had to piece together all the little bits from everywhere and since I am now going through this, I thought I would relate my experience.
Ripstop
If I wanted to shoot restricted firearms at the gun club I belong to, I needed to take a club level handgun course that the gun club would accept. I then phone the exec. and make an appointment to go through orientation at the club before he will submit a long term ATT for me.
This is the point that I am at now except that I am waiting for my course marks on Monday. I have bought a handgun and the seller is waiting for the temp. ATT to ship it to me. When I have the handgun at home, I will phone the exec. and make an appointment for orientation. I DO NOT bring the handgun with me, only record the make, model and serial # for his information so he can submit the ATT application. I ask for the most open amounts of time and places when and where I can take my restricted firearms.
After I get my ATT, and I assemble my very first AR, I phone the CFO to add this restricted firearm onto my ATT? I add subsequent restricted firearms onto my ATT myself without going through the gun club?
Handgun ammunition is not restricted.
You apply for the times you want to transport a restricted firearm.
In Ontario, you must belong to a gun club to shoot a restricted firearm legally.
You must take the most direct route between A (home) and B (range)
Depending on how far from the most direct route between A and B, you may get charged for violating your ATT but theoretically if you miss the entrance to the club and turn around, you are in violation.
Challenging the restricted exam will not be enough to get you an ATT with a gun club, they require proof of safety and so you take a handgun course.
How am I doing so far? All information concise and correct?
I originally decided to do this to swell the ranks of handgun owners but shooting these little critters are fun! I am doing the same thing with the AR, to increase the number of people owning them. Government be damned!
Sorry for the long post, but I had to piece together all the little bits from everywhere and since I am now going through this, I thought I would relate my experience.
Ripstop
44fordy - I had the same problem, got my non restricted pal and then about a year later upgraded to restricted. I would have saved a bit of time and money if I started with the restricted (but I also would have spent a lot more a lot sooner if I had started with the restricted :lol: ).
Joined Smiths Falls Fish and Game Club so I could get an ATT, once I took the pistol training they offered I ended up taking the IPSC Black Badge course and now I'm getting into IDPA (CDP). If you like shooting cans and bottles, you should try one of these sports, paper targets, moving targets, pepper poppers and steel plates, loads of fun). You do have to go to a range to shoot these events but its fun and well worth it for the safety and practicle skills you learn.
Absolutely you should get it.
Ripstop - Usually your ATT is good for all ranges in Ontario, so if its ever an issue that you are not taking the most direct route, just say you're headed to a range in Waterloo or Kenora or something that lines up with the general direction you were facing when questioned. :wink:
Joined Smiths Falls Fish and Game Club so I could get an ATT, once I took the pistol training they offered I ended up taking the IPSC Black Badge course and now I'm getting into IDPA (CDP). If you like shooting cans and bottles, you should try one of these sports, paper targets, moving targets, pepper poppers and steel plates, loads of fun). You do have to go to a range to shoot these events but its fun and well worth it for the safety and practicle skills you learn.
Absolutely you should get it.
Ripstop - Usually your ATT is good for all ranges in Ontario, so if its ever an issue that you are not taking the most direct route, just say you're headed to a range in Waterloo or Kenora or something that lines up with the general direction you were facing when questioned. :wink:
gappedout, Ripstop - Has there been a change recently in the wording of ON ATTs? While the reasonably direct route thing is standard, and the ATT is ONLY for to and from the ranges, not to gunsmiths, shows, etc., mine is valid for any and all restricted firearms I own, plus 12(6) handguns, without time restrictions.
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Get it - do the canadian shooters a favor!
The gov. *tries* to make it a hassle, so you DON'T get restricted firearms.
The gov. *tries* to make it a hassle, so you DON'T get restricted firearms.
