"Hasty" Technique & Forearm Mods

[Aniest]

I wanted to ask those with better knowledge/experience than I about using the "Hasty Technique" with modified forearms on rifles.

First, the Hasty Sling techniques is: "The hasty sling technique can be used in all shooting positions, including standing, kneeling, sitting and prone positions. The hasty sling technique is named as such because it can be readily performed at a moment's notice. This sling position requires the shooter to slip the nondominant arm through the sling loop, then bring the arm back through the loop a second time and grasp the rifle at the foreguard. The shooter then can tighten the sling and shoulder the rifle. This provides for a secure and stable shooting position when executed correctly." - quoted from ehow.

Second, when I say forearm modifications I am not talking about different forearms or rail protectors; I am talking about things like hand stops, the Magpul angled foregrips, vertical grips, 'pop bottle' grips, bi-pod grips and the like. Sometimes it seems like while doing this all the weight of the front of the rifle is on the bone between the muscle of the thumb and the muscle of the little finger.

I use the "Hasty" technique now and then shooting coyotes when I know they are likely only going to give a mid-range (IMO: 100-200yard) moving target, and I was thinking about adding something to the grip to help with arm/wrist angle while doing this technique.

So, my two questions are:
EDIT: Answer thinking of both a black rifle and/or a bolt where actions will be taken with the dominate hand please. Posted here because these items are more likely to be used on black rifles than bolts and precisions...
1. Do you believe that forearm grip modifications will help with the ergonomics (less arm/wrist stress) and the stabilization (and thus accuracy) during the Hasty sling technique.
2. If you believe it does help, what grip/modification do you recommend?

Poll up for those who don't want to post...

 

[Bolivar]

I would say a hand stop would be the best aid. That can be in the form of a vertical grip if you like. I would also say I would want a rail cover in the bottom where my hand rests as the sling is designed to add tension and that will drive the rails into your hand.

 

[blaxsun]

I would say a hand stop would be the best aid. That can be in the form of a vertical grip if you like. I would also say I would want a rail cover in the bottom where my hand rests as the sling is designed to add tension and that will drive the rails into your hand.

+1 Hand stops and bottom rail covers here as well. For the side rails I just like low profile ladder rail protectors; makes it slimmer and easier to grip, and protects you from getting shredded on the edges of bare rails.

 

[Clobbersauras]

I didn't vote in the poll because you didn't have an option for:

"NO: I think the "hasty" sling technique is a 100 year old technique best used for rifles of that vintage".

Also, it's hard to use the hasty technique when you run a single point. (Wow, single point slings are good for something).

 

[Bolivar]

I want to amend my previous position and argue with Clobb (sorry dude) with some qualifiers.

I use the Hasty sling for hunting as well with bolt actions for standing, kneeling and prone so I am familiar with it (well okay, when have I ever been able to shoot at an Ontario white tail from the prone...but I digress)

For ARs, I would say it has use for standing position only, and then only for a relatively slow fire and static position (little to no movement). For prone I mono-pod off the mag and for knelling I rest the trigger guard and my knee wedged between the grip and mag. Look up kneeling position on the Service Rifle forum, you will find some good pics from experienced SR shooters (not me )

For run and gun, I am with Clobb, no time or space for slings and obviously you can't use the technique with a single point. It needs a two point.

Following up on my post above, I have just added a sling to my SR rifle (like minutes ago) to try the hasty again. I found I am pulling my hand back on the fore stock quite far to add tension to the sling for the standing off hand position as it raps around my arm above my elbow. As such, a hand stop is useless. And I think an AFG would be limiting as you can't adjust you hand position to adjust tension in small increments. However, if I were using a loop sling, then a forward hand stop would be a good idea, just like TR shooters use to lock their arm to the rifle with sling tension.

I am going to try it at the ORA Vintage match this weekend where we have to shoot 100 yards from the standing off hand position and see how I like it. If it works there, I will try it at the next SR match I attend, again for standing off hand.

 

[Clobbersauras]

^^Is your forend free floated? If not, you will get a quite noticeable POI shift when using the OP's technique on an AR. Especially if you are using a standard contour barrel.

 

[Farmboy]

Come down to the Blast Off Shoot and I'll show ya'll how to use a sling.

You single point and no sling heathens!!!

 

[Bolivar]

^^Is your forend free floated? If not, you will get a quite noticeable POI shift when using the OP's technique on an AR. Especially if you are using a standard contour barrel.

Phhhhtttt. Of course it's free floating. All the cool kids have free float forends. My rifle us pure space gun.

Actually that is a very good point that I forgot about. Thanks. (see, this is why I don't want to argue with you....you're kinda smart)

This is a bit off topic but I was shooting one of my bolt guns this way for a club competition and forgot about POI shift. That rifle had the front sling swivel attached TO THE BARREL. Opps. Major fail. 6 inch drop at 100 yards with a tight sling that had me very confused for a bit. At least I was shooting at paper targets and not game animals.

I don't think you would see a drastic shift like this with an AR but something to consider for sure.

 

[Aniest]

At the moment of my time stamp the vote is basically 4 says no change, 2 says improvement with angled grip...

Thanks to all those who replied: I am watching this with interest so I can learn something.

 

[Clobbersauras]

Come down to the Blast Off Shoot and I'll show ya'll how to use a sling.

You single point and no sling heathens!!!

LOL! I've yet to see yer video rebuttal of my shoulder change video in the other sling thread. Single point heathens unite!!!!

 

[Clobbersauras]

....you're kinda smart)

You really don't know me that well do ya? I'm really only a couple of I.Q. points above feeding myself.

 

[teller]

I voted "No, hurts this technique" simply because I use this myself and have found that since I tend to vary my shooting position from prone, kneeling and various jack**s positions (as per Cooper), they just get in the way of my off hand postion. A smooth, unobstructed handguard eliminated this problem, allowing my hand to assume various places on the firearm and allow for the most flexible shooting experience.

 

[beltfed]

I use the hasty sling in all positions in service rifle events, even rapids with 10 rounds and a mag change. I'm too old and broken to have the flexibility that affords using body apendiges as a crutch, so I have make due with a sling. Handstops can aid in comfort if you put on alot of sling tension, but they are not required and would get in the way for the most part as you don't need to sling up like the fullbore crowd. The best fore end to use would be a straight circular float tube with a sling mount (I like mine mid way down the tube on a full length version). IMHO.

 

[Aniest]

@ teller & beltfed: Thanks for the reasoning behind the answers, it helpa a lot.

 

[Bolivar]

Come down to the Blast Off Shoot and I'll show ya'll how to use a sling.

You single point and no sling heathens!!!

I can actually see how a more modern two point sling (side mount vs under mount) can be used to stabilize a run and gun rifle. Sling tension will help to stablize the rifle regardless of under mount or side mount. The support arm just has to oppose the sling to create the tension.

 

[Farmboy]

LOL! I've yet to see yer video rebuttal of my shoulder change video in the other sling thread.

0:36

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I can actually see how a more modern two point sling (side mount vs under mount) can be used to stabilize a run and gun rifle. Sling tension will help to stablize the rifle regardless of under mount or side mount. The support arm just has to oppose the sling to create the tension.

What's interesting is some of the older guys are finding the VCAS sling perfect for their "hasty" style due to the loop in the sliding secting. They just stick their elbow into the loop.

 

[Aniest]

0:36

Hey Farmboy....

In the video at the 0:38 mark I could see how the sling was attached to the buttstock, but singling out where it is attached on the front I can't seem to do: Is it attached to the left side rail right in front of the barrel nut on the forearm?

 

[Farmboy]

Push button on the front and rear of the sling.

The CTR stock and the KAC URX II rail both have QD Push Button cups built in. On the URX II this cup is just in front of the Barrel nut.

 

[Clobbersauras]

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Wow, that is fast!

There's a lot less movement needed compared to the method I am (was) using. Thanks for posting, I'm going to try that this week. I bow to your awesomeness Sir!

 

[Farmboy]

There's a lot less movement needed compared to the method I am (was) using. Thanks for posting, I'm going to try that this week. I bow to your awesomeness sir!

LMAO!! No bowing, my ego is large enough as it is

That transition was stolen from KevinB