Have you dealt with Loyalist Arms?

Brutus said:
SKS rifles and Norincos are safe to shoot and rarely does anyone question that fact. But for some reason, it seems to be the flavour of the week to bash these cheap but safe even more primitive firearms. Almost always by someone who does not own one, btw. Have you been to the manufacturer's factory? The technology has been mature since about what, let's say 1777 or thereabouts. It's not rocket science to build smoothbore flintlock muskets and such. Surely if your statement has some basis in fact, then every single day someone should be killed or injured with self detonating Indian muzzleloaders. Flintlockrepair has one of these Indian musket breechplugs displayed, but it is copyright protected or I would have it pasted here. Meanwhile, Loyalist Arms, flintlockrepair and Military Heritage Firearms are still in business & thriving.
A strange but true fact. :rolleyes:
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a military surplus is alot different so are chinese made guns not even comparable to the indian made stuff

what ive seen with the indian stuff breech plugs with poor fit(even one that the tang screw was the only thing holding the breech plug in) and even breech plugs with no threads, locks that have poor tuning and or give no spark, barrels that clearly have a seam and if they dont they may still have a imperfection in the weld

they use slavaged meterals here not always a bad thing but when talking about a barrel or breech plug it is a bad thing they are made by a simple people that use forges for the most part so ita almost like the 1770's you wont find big factorys just little shops making the parts
 
I have a Loyalist Arms Enfield 3 band that I carried with the 25th North Carolina Infantry during the 150th Sharpsburg reenactment last September. I also have an older Antonio Zoli .58 2 band. The Zoli is a much better piece, the lock, the wood the finish are all much better. For reenacting the Loyalist Arms is fine as long as you don't get too anal about being authentic but if you want to shoot a good, accurate and solid rifle, save up your money and get an Italian or American made musket, there are some very good used pieces out there from reenactors who are upgrading. By the way if anyone is interested, the 150th anniversary of Gettysburg is coming up the end of June, it's not to late to get in touch with a reenactment unit, get your kit, and join the action.

Tarheels!
 
To end the argument, I ordered an 1847 Cavalry Musketoon, today.

Blair, who I spoke to, told me that they get the guns 85% completed. They do the final fit and finish and testing of the guns they sell. They have a three week backlog of orders. This does suggest they do a brisk business.

When mine arrives I will be posting pictures and my first range trip results.
 
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The kit longland I bought from them is still being beaten to hell, it has gone through 3 members of our reenactment reg, has shot countless live and blank rounds.

It has been dropped, beaten on, swore at and abused......Thing still works like a charm fantastic musket that shoots better then its operators!
 
Musketfire said:
The kit longland I bought from them is still being beaten to hell, it has gone through 3 members of our reenactment reg, has shot countless live and blank rounds.

It has been dropped, beaten on, swore at and abused......Thing still works like a charm fantastic musket that shoots better then its operators!
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Guys are entitled to their opinion based on experience. That said, made in India muzzle loader and good quality are not the same thing. Will they work, yes, have quite a few blown barrels and breach plugs, you bet. I have a $2 9/16 wrench I bought at a gas station because we were in a friends car, no tools and we needed one right now. Will it turn a bolt, you bet, is it any where near as well built, strong or nice to use as my $12 Snap-On 9/16th wrench, hell no.
 
Dean2 said:
Guys are entitled to their opinion based on experience. That said, made in India muzzle loader and good quality are not the same thing. Will they work, yes, have quite a few blown barrels and breach plugs, you bet. I have a $2 9/16 wrench I bought at a gas station because we were in a friends car, no tools and we needed one right now. Will it turn a bolt, you bet, is it any where near as well built, strong or nice to use as my $12 Snap-On 9/16th wrench, hell no.
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Personal experience with a Loyalist Arms product?
 
Brutus said:
Personal experience with a Loyalist Arms product?
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Worthwhile question.

The OP specifically asked about Loyalist Arms.
Loyalist Arms sells guns. Not decorators, not drill the touch hole if you dare devices.
Are there any reports of failures of guns that Loyalist Arms has sold?
 
Brutus said:
Personal experience with a Loyalist Arms product?
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Should have been clear, never with a Loyalist Arms product. With Indian made guns, quite a lot and not just muzzle loaders. If Loyalists Arms are somehow a far superior level of quality my position might change but I don't think that is real likely given the Indian manufacturing process for all types of guns. These aren't being made in factories they are one of hand built, with no quality control checks, as are almost all Indian made arms, including their centrefire stuff.
 
tiriaq said:
Worthwhile question.

The OP specifically asked about Loyalist Arms.
Loyalist Arms sells guns. Not decorators, not drill the touch hole if you dare devices.
Are there any reports of failures of guns that Loyalist Arms has sold?
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Perhaps then, the criteria for posting could be narrowed even further. Perhaps only those with favorable impressions should post them.

Yeah, that would be helpful.
 
Brutus said:
Have you dealt with Loyalist Arms? That is the question posed here. You either have something to say with experience related to this, or not.
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Can only speak to the threads I've read over the past year - but I have to agree with Brutus that the NEGATIVE posts/threads I have read have not been from folks who have dealt directly with Loyalist Arms, but instead are making general statements about Indian manufactured guns. By and large, the few folks with direct experience of Loyalist Arms, have been positive.

A search of the forum can confirm that.

And so it would seem that Loyalist Arms may be placing their own warranty on the guns Loyalist Arms sells. Painting all (Indian made guns) with the same brush is normally not a good choice....

only my 0.02
 
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HKMark23 said:
Perhaps then, the criteria for posting could be narrowed even further. Perhaps only those with favorable impressions should post them.

Yeah, that would be helpful.
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"Worthwhile point" Yes, it does seem like good news is all some of these folks are interested in. Nine million ducks quack but we seem to be looking for the one that honks.
 
As the OP, I am not only looking for positive responses. I want to know from people who have actually dealt with Loyalist Arms. I want to know about the buying experience. And how the guns have held up. Issues that required service.

After speaking to Blair, I am very interested to see the Musketoon I choose. They finish the guns and do their quality control checks. They come with a warranty.
 
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