Having a hard time deciding between these

You ask a hundred different people, you'll get a hundred different answers. Grow a set for gods sakes and buy one that YOU like and quit asking people to make your decision for you, because you'll usually be disappointed. They often talk about sheep on this forum, and these decide my gun for me is a classic example. It's one of my pet peeves (can you tell:evil:) There is no perfect gun, they all have pro's and cons, so just go for it. No matter what happens, you won't end up with just one handgun, and probably end up with one of each
 
Not trying to burst your bubble, but the guns listed can’t all feel the same in your hand. And if they do, then you really didn’t FEEL the gun.

Reason I’m saying that is that these are completely different guns, with unique grip angles, thicknesses and the Controls are quite different too. They might feel similar in hand while simply manipulating them in the store, but shooting them will be a completely different experience.

I strongly suggest you try and shoot some. At the very least, try a polymer vs all steel and see the difference.
 
Bagels said:
I have now held all of these handguns that i am interested in. All feel rather good in my hand with no real winner in comfort. I havent fired any of them though and wont be before buying.

Glock 17 Gen 5
Sig P226
Walther PPQ m2
Beretta 92f2 Inox

What do you guys think I should choose?
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Glock 17 if you want to shoot well, and shoot well later.
Sig P226 if you want something that gives you pride of ownership and quality.
Walther PPQ if you want something with a slick trigger, and you'll no doubt sell because of parts, mags, etc.
Beretta 92fs if you want to get frustrated, and have some thing pretty to look at.
 
I never will regret getting a g17 as my first pistol


I know it seems crazy now, but you will probably end up with all of them, eventually.
 
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PPQ M2

Then a Glock gen5 or 19X.

Yes the Glock is the standard etc etc. The newest versions are good and do a good job of trying to keep up with the new pistols that were leaving the Glock behind. The PPQ isn't just about the trigger. It's an excellent firearm. If you're competing then the Glock is likely the answer for you due to support, parts etc. Otherwise the PPQ then later get a Glock. I would also add the CZ P10C to that list.


...I know it seems crazy now, but you will probably end up with all of them, eventually.
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Pretty much.
 
Thanks for the replies.

I left out the CZ because i don't like the look of the CZ so much and look is important to me as well. There are many good guns and if CZ was the only good gun then obviously I would get that even if i didnt like the look. But since there are many good guns with looks that i like better I dont want the CZ.

I feel like I'm leaning towards the Glock 17. I also feel like i have to go back in and give the guns another hold. I remember the Glock actually feeling like it had the biggest grip out of all of them and that was with the small grip. MY hands arent large they are small/medium but all still felt comfortable holding and aiming and dry firing. As of now my most likely to purchase in order is.

Glock 17
Walther PPQ m2
P226
92fs Inox

And i wont be getting another handgun or at least for many years because i still have to purchase an AR soon as well.
 
Salibas007 said:
Not trying to burst your bubble, but the guns listed can’t all feel the same in your hand. And if they do, then you really didn’t FEEL the gun.

Reason I’m saying that is that these are completely different guns, with unique grip angles, thicknesses and the Controls are quite different too. They might feel similar in hand while simply manipulating them in the store, but shooting them will be a completely different experience.

I strongly suggest you try and shoot some. At the very least, try a polymer vs all steel and see the difference.
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^^^ This

By the sounds of it, you're on a budget. So make those dollars count. Buy something you'll enjoy shooting, and a big part of enjoyment is either being able to properly grip the gun to manage recoil, or going to a heavier, all-steel gun that can help mitigate it. I mention this because I come across newbies all the time and the muzzle flip of a basic polymer 9mm isn't a fun thing for most.

I still think a person's first handgun should be a .22, but if you're set on a 9mm, learn how to grip a gun properly, and do what you can to try some out before you buy. Esp if you're on a budget.

Watch this for an idea of what you want to do to grip a handgun properly.

 
Salibas007 said:
Not trying to burst your bubble, but the guns listed can’t all feel the same in your hand. And if they do, then you really didn’t FEEL the gun .
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I think he said they all feel good, not the same. I don’t see an issue with that actually. I have some vastly different guns but they all ‘feel’ pretty good in the hand. not a factor I use in deciding what I buy though.
 
If you have small/medium hands you will benefit from either the PPQ M2 5" or the M&P 4.5" or 5" version. These guns offer you different size grips that will help you fit the gun better to the size of your hands. Every one of the guns you mentioned are dead nuts reliable. Only the PPQ in your list does not requires any upgrades to be able to meet your needs given your smaller hands..

Both the SIG 226 and the 92FS might be a struggle for you in DA mode I would think and you may not need that aggravation. I think most would agree the guns have large stock grips. Slimmer grips are available but add $100 to your purchase price. Try both of the guns out. If you can reach the trigger with ease then don't discount the benefit of the DA/SA pistol with a decocker. For a new shooter decocker models do add an additional level of safety. If you can tie your shoes you can easily deal with the perceives issues of transitioning from a DA to a SA trigger.

The Glock Gen 5 is relatively new. One can assume it's redesign has overcome some of the Gen 1 - 4 issues. The supply of after market support is a canard for most. Why spend money on a new gun and then have to change the trigger group and sights just to get to close to where the PPQ is out of the box? The PPQ not only has the best trigger of all the strilker fired guns but is capable of outstanding accuracy. It is the only gun I know of right now that comes with a stepped chamber which likely is one reason for the reputation for accuracy.

You didn't list it, but one of the best and least expensive options available to you right now is the M&P 4.25" pistol. The Gen 2 comes with four grip options, is dead nuts reliable and has a good but not great trigger and it will be a long time before you blame the gun for your misses with it or any of the other guns mentioned. The Gen 1 comes with three grip modules. The Gen 1 guns are available on the used market for ridiculously low prices. Check out the EE here. You may find what you need and save yourself $300 in the process.

One of the fellows say to go try them all out and you should. If there are no commercial ranges near you drop by an IPSC or IDPA match. The folks will be more than willing to let you try out their gear. If there is a commercial range near you rent all of the guns you can afford to spend your money on and see what YOU like. What I or anyone else thinks is THE gun for you doesn't mean much...we all have our favourites. There is no ONE gun. Buy one for you and your perceived needs. If you enjoy shooting this will not be your last purchase.

Take Care

Bob
 
gdawg said:
I think he said they all feel good, not the same. I don’t see an issue with that actually. I have some vastly different guns but they all ‘feel’ pretty good in the hand. not a factor I use in deciding what I buy though.
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All pistols feel pretty good to me. That’s because pistol designers basically know what their doing. Even if the Glock pistol was Gaston’s first foray into the firearms world, he probably hired some experienced designers.

Because the 1911 was my first ever pistol, that’s what I like. Like I’ll always be Catholic no matter what the rest of the world thinks or believes.

But I also like the Glock 17 because ergonomically, while it is not the most comfortable grip, it makes the most sense. The grip angle Cocks and Locks my hand/wrist to the most consistent angle for consistent holds. Like an Olympic free pistol, it’s not designed for comfort, but for shooting consistently well.

My son who is an occasional shooter likes my RTF2 best out of my modest pistol selection. Because he shoots it quite well. I’m glad and it supports my theory that if one is a starting out pistolero, at least give the Glock a try first.
 
I was trying to decide this as well.
I had it narrowed down to the Glock 17 gen 5 for $760 + shipping + 15% taxes = $900

Then I came across a CZ P10 F for $584 all in.

Hope I made the right choice.. lol
 
Bagels said:
Thanks for the replies.

I left out the CZ because i don't like the look of the CZ so much and look is important to me as well. There are many good guns and if CZ was the only good gun then obviously I would get that even if i didnt like the look. But since there are many good guns with looks that i like better I dont want the CZ.

I feel like I'm leaning towards the Glock 17. I also feel like i have to go back in and give the guns another hold. I remember the Glock actually feeling like it had the biggest grip out of all of them and that was with the small grip. MY hands arent large they are small/medium but all still felt comfortable holding and aiming and dry firing. As of now my most likely to purchase in order is.

Glock 17
Walther PPQ m2
P226
92fs Inox

And i wont be getting another handgun or at least for many years because i still have to purchase an AR soon as well.
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If you are buying for looks rather then function, we can't help you. BTW, Glocks, IMO, are about a Fugly as they come. Period.
 
jimbo14 said:
^^^ This

By the sounds of it, you're on a budget. So make those dollars count. Buy something you'll enjoy shooting, and a big part of enjoyment is either being able to properly grip the gun to manage recoil, or going to a heavier, all-steel gun that can help mitigate it. I mention this because I come across newbies all the time and the muzzle flip of a basic polymer 9mm isn't a fun thing for most.

I still think a person's first handgun should be a .22, but if you're set on a 9mm, learn how to grip a gun properly, and do what you can to try some out before you buy. Esp if you're on a budget.

Watch this for an idea of what you want to do to grip a handgun properly.

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Another strike against the Glock
 
Brianma65 said:
I was trying to decide this as well.
I had it narrowed down to the Glock 17 gen 5 for $760 + shipping + 15% taxes = $900

Then I came across a CZ P10 F for $584 all in.

Hope I made the right choice.. lol
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The CZ P10 sure looks better!!!
 
Meroh said:
The CZ P10 sure looks better!!!
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that’s gotta count for something right? Who wants to show at the range looking like a dork?? Ha ha

And remember this, if your going to a gunfight, the most important thing , is to bring a gun! Any gun

Haha, I stole that one
 
I need to chip in this, i had a glock 17 and just got the CZ P10 F, the P 10 F is from far a greater shooter and much more plaisant in hand and has a way better trigger!

I shot 200 rounds with it so far, i am more accurate and it seems to have less recoil.

And for those trying to compare the glock to this new CZ, well unless you have put your hand on this new P10F, please refrain yourself. Yes the CZ is a cheaper gun than the glock 17 and its just fine like that, CZ is trying to make his point in the poly models. They had time to come up with something well designed compared to Glock that has been very good but who like Honda stayed for way too long with the same lines because of their success. The evolution of Glock IMO has not been the best they could have done.

I loved my glock 17 but it is time to move on with just a better designed gun that in hand does not feel like you are holding a brick even if it shoots well. You Glock people need to go and try this new CZ and if you are honest and not just a Glock Fan for life nomater what you will come to the same conclusion. The sole advantage for Glock is the amount of parts available, on this it is undeniable!
 
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You're talking like a crazy person because you are making it sound as though this is the only handgun you will ever buy! Think long term... You know that eventually you will own all of them so ask yourself, what will the savvy collector do!?! And the answer will be your obvious choice. Buy the most expensive one that you can afford, buy the one with the lease depreciation, the most accurate and has proven itself above the other pistols... get the Berretta.

Haters will be like, my Glock is more reliable. Wrong! Ask the US military. Well, my Sig is more accurate. Wrong! The two most accurate pistols in competition (and I am not talking about speed or draw time, just accuracy) are the 1911 and 92. If anything, I could sell my CZ for twice as much as I paid for it on EE. Well, you could try, but you be wrong. The reality is that unless the gun performs exceptionally well and is well made and are extremely rare, you will lose money when you go to resell them. The Beretta Onyx will depreciate less because of the fact that it uses more expensive materials than the other pistols (think stainless vs plastic) and there are fewer of them made in that material compared to the 92 or any of the other guns on your list. If you think about production costs combined with material costs combined with how many are made, then you realize that the Onyx is a fantastic deal.

This is just my opinions but I know that when I am in a pinch and I need to sell something, the true value of a product comes out and when I say true value, I just don't mean how much you paid for it, or sentimental value or even production costs (though 75% of the time, this is a factor) but rather how fast it sells and for how much. I believe that with the history, the iconic looks and production quality, you will get the most value out of the Beretta. I bought an Onyx about 7 years ago for $859 or something like that, new in box and that includes delivery and taxes. In today's market, on a bad day, I could get a G note for it which, if you take away delivery and taxes, it has kept up with inflation without any real depreciation. I honestly can not say the same about my CZs, Glocks or SIGs. Don't get me wrong, when I go to the range I bring either my SIG p228 or p226 over any for my 92s but if it is my first gun and I can only own 1 then it will be my Onyx. I don't mind shoot it at all and the fat double stack feels the same in my hands as the SIGs but the SIGs are a bit better for hip holsters and a little more compact and I don't mind beating on them, etc. trust me, you don't want to beat on your 1st gun, it pride of ownership, your 2nd gun however... Last month, while practicing for a stage, I threw my 228 on to the concrete pad by accident because of a lazy mag change. If you are still not convinced about the Onyx, I have a EE mint SIG p228 for sale as the same price as retail but you will be saving the taxes and delivery.lol
 
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