Having a tough go of it in SE Manitoba **updates**

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This is my 3rd season hunting. I got a beautiful buck with a rifle my first season, a tasty doe with a bow my second season, but so far this year I haven't bagged one. I was very close but my "buddy" decided he wanted it more than I did I suppose.
The story goes.... my "buddy" (known him for 20+ years) was supposed to have permission on some great private land to hunt whitetail. A day or two prior to opening, he called and said he wasn't able to get a hold of the landowner, and asked if I had any other options. I told him I had been eyeballing a spot of Crown land not to far away, and we could both go there and try our luck.
So anyways, his Browning Bar 270 has gained some notoriety for going click rather than bang (it's done it once while hunting and 2 or 3 more times while target shooting. Not wanting to spend money on repairs or a new rifle, I offered him the use of my Stevens .243 for the hunt, which he happily accepted. I made him aware that as we were hunting my spot, I drove, and he was using my rifle, I had dibs on any decent bucks. He was good with that as he is strictly a meat hunter and cares nothing about antlers.

I am not a trophy hunter by any means, but really appreciate a good "rack soup" to go along with my chops, if you catch my meaning. In case you didn't I would sooner shoot a large buck than a doe, for 2 reasons...more meat and I like the antlers.

So opening morning comes and we are in the spot I chose, sure enough deer are moving. I waved him off of one doe as I knew there was a vehicle parked in that direction he hadn't seen. A few minutes later I told him not to shoot the little fawn that happened to cross our path, as a larger deer would likely follow.
Sure enough not 5 minutes later a decent little 4x4 walks out at about 50 yards, I whisper to my buddy who is 3 feet away, "this guy is mine". Now I like to be precise when I shoot so I took my time aimed carefully, place my finger on the first stage of my accu-trigger, and BANG.... my buddy shot the damn buck.

I watch him hobble into the woods 10 yards away, and could tell it was a decent hit. Once he was away from us I turn and said "what the hell?"
He says "sorry I didn't hear you..."
I says " If you didn't hear me... how do you know I said anything at all?"

Well no matter, he wasn't a great buck anyways, likely to score less than 100", but still I would have proudly taken him home.

My friend is about to get up and go after the buck right way, but I manage to talk him into waiting 15 minutes before pursuing the buck, explaining he may not be dead yet. He says, "well then we should go shoot him again before he gets away". I smile (on the inside) and say "no, it was a good hit, just give it a few minutes to expire, he will just lay down if you don't chase him".

So we waited, then my friend gets up to go look for a blood trail and almost immediately panics because he doesn't see any blood. While he is searching around the area he shot the buck, I stroll over to the bush, walk in and look around. Within 30 seconds I see blood and then 30 more seconds of trailing it, I find a crashed out buck, some 40 yards or so from the spot he was shot.

Now we drag this big bodied young buck out of the woods... 30 yards worth of thick bush, uphill (I nearly had a stoke) and get him to flat ground where he can be cleaned and loaded on the truck.
"You got a knife?" I asked
"no, I have never actually cleaned a deer" he replies. Having taken about 15 deer in his life, he was always with his Father or Uncle or a friend who looked after that stuff for him.
"no problem" I said... "I need the practice".
So I pull out my trusty knife and start at him. Within 15 minutes he is field dressed (and an excellent job if I might add). My friend says "Wow you have done that a few times"
I reply "actually that was my first one"
he says "What??? how can that be?"
I told him how the first buck I shot was cleaned by a friend of mine as he was very experienced, and I made the first cut on my second deer but again that same friend finished as it had been a year since I had seen it done, and I was so pumped the first time (that buck scored 133 5/8") I could hardly recall what happened.

"So how did you manage to do this one, and make it look so easy... it looked like you had done 100 of them?" he asked
"I paid attention the 2nd time" I said.
So we hunt the remainder of the day, and see nothing at all. Then head for my place to hang the deer for a week in my barn. He had to travel the following week for work, so I got to skin the buck alone and deliver it to the butcher for him, thinking all the while, "shall I cook him you too?"

Anyways the important thing is we bagged one, but I have now sat on 8 or 9 occasions this season and have yet to see another deer to shoot. They are here, but nocturnal and never present a shot to me. I am getting a little bummed out and stressed that my tags may go unfilled, as my rifle tag did last year.

Here is a pic with my friend and "his" prize... a nice little 4x4
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I have noticed much nocturnal activity in SE manitoba also. You will find deer in thick heavy cover during the day. They seem to be heading to bedding areas before first light and are feeding well after dusk. Sitting will get you nowhere except on a heavy trail first thing in the morning. After that, still hunting may be your best bet. I have noticed that boggy riparian areas on the cusp of lines of birch interspersed with feed (grass and raspberries where I am) will yield good success.

They are still going to water. No crazy rut yet. Just half-assed rut that's been dragging on for a week and a half. Checking known scrapes first thing in the morning may work for you as well.

To find a heavily used trail, head out and do a little scouting just after a snowfall. It will be obvious what the heavily used crossings are. Setup downwind of one of these before first light and hopefully you see deer after legal shooting hours.

Edit: Ski911, if you don't have luck before the weekend, I will happily show you a few spots SE of steinbach on crown land where you may have success on Sunday. I will likely be going out myself and it's always nice to meet another CGNer.
 
Going to get a bit tougher now with all the snow expected. With two bucks in the freezer, Westman was our goal today as my hunting buddy and I both have yet to fill our antlerless tags. 10-20 cm of snow expected...will have to put the mission on hold!

Great story 911...at least you both have some meat in the freezer and a few more days of general rifle to tag another. Sounds like your pal is a bit fast on the trigger...seeing as how you both had an agreement.

I've tuned guys in a few times for the same...more so when a friend shoots a deer in the arse when I was in position for a stellar broadside shot!

I find venison to taste better when I have shot it myself and like antlers attatched as well! Good luck
 
Being as he is a buddy, I'm sure he gave you 1/2 the meat. After the 2 of you split the butchering costs. Now you know why some of us prefer to hunt alone. There's a whole lot of less problems and misunderstandings.
Baiting of deer is illegal in Manitoba. Mix up your hunting from sitting in the morning & late afternoon and still hunting during the day. Walk very slow and don't daydream. Don't go home for lunch, stay in the bush. Maybe try doe bleat in a can. It has never worked for me but other's swear by it.
 
Well, the moral of this story is keep on trying... AND...
LOOK WHO SHOWED UP FOR DINNER!!
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I find it an interesting bit of serendipity that after I posted here for some inspiration, 7 hours later, there is a buck in the truck. Rock on!
Went out this morning to a patch of crown land (same place where my friend shot that 4x4, thank you VERY MUCH) and on my way to the spot I wanted to get to, this buck and a doe jumped right in front of me!! So I chambered a round and watched them go. They ran across a clearing about 100 yards, up a little draw to the tree line and the buck stopped there. (Pun intended) He turns broadside slightly quartering away and stands there starring at me... almost as if to say "Alright... you put your time in, take your shot..." So I did, it felt great, but the buck ran south about 8 yards and turned west into the thick bush. I waited about 10 minutes to pursue him, then started over to where he was posing for the camera ( My camera in a Savage 16FLCSS, which is a left hand .270WSM with a Nikon Buck Master 6-18x40SF with BDC reticle (US only model).
So I get there and find the tracks, but no blood and I mean none, it would be hard to miss in the fresh snow, but undeterred I start off following his tracks, confident of my shot and assuming I will see blood in a few steps.
I get to the spot where he turned into the bush...and still no blood, I continue along his tracks 10, 15 then 25 yards.... still no blood! Now I am second guessing my shot... "did I knock my scope out somehow? Did I pull the shot? WTF???"
Another 5 yards of thick crappy bush and still nothing, I stop and reflect on the situation, certain now that if there is still no blood I have clean missed the deer.
Not wanting to traverse the bush back towards my truck, I look to my right and see a quad trail that heads back in the general direction of my truck, so I walk out of the bushes to the trail 5 yards away, look to my left and low and behold.... THE BUCK IS THERE!! Dead as disco. I approach him for a closer look and still there is no blood to be seen anywhere, as I roll him over there is the entry wound, perfect shot! Right through the lungs, but no exit wound, there is one small spot of blood on the snow under his body when I rolled him over. I am pumped at this point, he is a big deer easily 300 lbs live weight. Now I walk back get the truck and find my way back in here and heave ho this big bugger into the truck. No small feat, but I was able to pull it off.

Red square shows entry wound (on other side) Yellow square is where I found the bullet ( laying loose in the abdominal cavity).
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I drive home to clean and skin the typical 10 pointer (**Update** Unofficial score 129 3/8 gross, 126 5/8 net), cut him open and find a mess, and I mean a mess. EDIT* I believe the bullet must have expanded to quickly, spun out of control and ended up near his hind quarters in the abdominal cavity, I found it just laying inside him after I threw out the guts. Have a look at the bullet, I have to think I will will be switching ammo. This was a Winchester power Max 130 gr 270WSM, I feel it over expanded, as the entry hole was the size of a loony, and just 105gr remained of the 130 gr bullet for an 80% weight retention.
Not impressive by any means, and no exit wound or blood trail, just really turned me off. I had some hand loads along 140 GR Hornady interlocks, I have moving at 3200 FPS, that net impressive accuracy, but I wanted to try the Power Max on a live target... I won't do that again. He is dead, but if there were no snow to follow the tracks in, I never would have found him, and even when I did it was a fluke.

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All in all it was a great hunt (albeit a short one) and a great day that brings the end to a dry spell that had me concerned. It seems my friend was a friend after all, as I ended up with a bigger buck (more meat) and a bigger rack to boot! Awesome!! Thanks for all the comments and good luck to everyone else who is still hunting.
 
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Nice buck and great story! Yup,time to start hand loading to feed that 270SM. When pushing 27 cal. bullets at those velocities you might want to load premium controlled expansion slugs such as the Barnes TSX, Speer Grand Slams and such. Again, good job!
 
Being as he is a buddy, I'm sure he gave you 1/2 the meat. After the 2 of you split the butchering costs. Now you know why some of us prefer to hunt alone. There's a whole lot of less problems and misunderstandings.
Baiting of deer is illegal in Manitoba. Mix up your hunting from sitting in the morning & late afternoon and still hunting during the day. Walk very slow and don't daydream. Don't go home for lunch, stay in the bush. Maybe try doe bleat in a can. It has never worked for me but other's swear by it.

Yes he did offer to split the bounty with me If I wasn't able to get one... but problem solved!

I have been hunting complete days as well, an hour before sunrise until 30 minutes after sunset, I have tried the doe in a can, antlers and grunt call, I also tried being quiet and just watching. Turns out dumb luck did the trick.
 
Great story. Wouldn't you think the angle of entry played the greatest role in not having an exit wound? It had a long distance to travel.
 
Had the same experience with hornady JHPs earlier in the season - expanded too fast and yawed like an elephant on rollerskates. Nice buck. Glad you were able to heave ho it into the truck solo without issue!
 
Great story. Wouldn't you think the angle of entry played the greatest role in not having an exit wound? It had a long distance to travel.
Yes and no, based on the angle of the shot, I expected an exit wound just behind the far side shoulder. I would have preferred it acted like a bullet, not like a pinball. I will use something designed for better penetration next time.

After reviewing my memory, it couldn't have hit the shoulder, he ran too well for that, all 4 legs moving properly... So I think it just hit, over expanded and spun out of control.. finally ending up where it did. Like I mentioned earlier, the entry wound was close to 2" in diameter, which tells me it flattened out like a pancake on impact. That is not good, considering it was on such a light skinned animal. Had that been a big Elk or a Moose, they may have died days later or not at all. Having said that, that Power Max bullet was never designed for game larger than a deer.
 
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