Having seconds thoughts on buying an XCR...

What company hasn't had issues?? For every one guy who has had an issue probably 50 have had positive experiences with their rifles and don't bother posting it on the interweb.
 
I had a chance to try out the RA xcr-m side by side with my RFB. THE XCR is way heavier than my rfb, but it is a better range gun than the rfb (feels more solid, but a lot longer too). I was able to get sub 1 inch groups with AE 150gr fmj mamo at 100 meters with the xcr, 2 inch groups with the rfb. I had no issues with my rfb (except 1 bad DSA mag.?). My friend's xcr-m went back for warranty 2x already (once for the gas piston and once for the stock). So if you ever thinking about taking the gun into the woods, go with the RFB, if you are a range shooter then go with xcr-m or ar10 or knight sr25 (restricted).
 
I have had many XCR'S and I owned first gens L models and latest gen L models in all calibers. And I only had a hand full of FTFs on the first gen with the factory mags fixed with P mags. All of them were solid plenty accurate and have put thousands of round through them. I am sure RA has figured out their growing pains and fixed them. As I don't here much bashing over the latest gen riffles including the M.
 
I don't know about the M but I have had an L for about a year and the only problem I have had is the buffer rubber thingy. And that was an easy fix. You can find negative reviews about lots of guns.

J
 
Have an L and an M. The only probs, I've had were a crown issue on the 6.8 barrel, a firing pin and the fact that like a dumb ass I didn't check my gun after disassembly. Barrel and gas plug were loose. Easy fix. I really like em both. Never an issue while competing and I carry mine in the bush. They aren't that bloody heavy.
 
Brappp306 said:
Well I thought I had made up my mind last week on getting the XCR-M... But the more I read about it the MORE problems I seem to find and it disappoints me. Some one give me some good information lol. Really wish the Tavor had a 308. model
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Just remember people who get anything and are happy are far less likely to shout it from the roof tops, those that are unhappy for any reason real or imagined are vastly more likely to express their feelings on a forum.
 
Got an L myself. Only "issue" I have had so far is the bolt catch. (Which the guys at wolverine have been more than awesome in helping me fix). After 400 to 500 rounds of the surplus stuff, IMO, I find it a very enjoyable rifle.

I don't own any other AR type rifle so I can't compare it to others. For me, the rifle just feels good. Like an above post stated, get one in your hands before you make the final decision (even better, send a couple down range if you know someone with one)


Just my two cents
 
petermoo999 said:
I was able to get sub 1 inch groups with AE 150gr fmj mamo at 100 meters with the xcr, 2 inch groups with the rfb.
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I think this statement sums up the frustration most people on here that actually shoot and happen to know what these and other guns are truely capable of feel towards these posts.
Most move along and can't be bothered to get dragged into it -aferall far be it from me to tell you what color the sky is right?
The problem with that is other folks, maybe new to the shooting sports, and maybe folks looking to spend their hard earned cash on said products look at these and might think them to be genuinely capable of this type of performance.
I comment (sometimes negatively) on these posts not to crap on your parade, but to hopefully give a ballanced view as a counter to those posting about their wonder guns that defy the remaining combined shooting community and firearms manufacturers.

What revolutionary manufacturing or work to their barrels is Robarms or Keltec doing to get sub-moa groups from regular dirty bird FMJ ammo you ask?
The answer is nothing, because the claims are by-and-large bullsh!t. Sure, you might luck into the occasional sending of 5 rounds inside a target patch, but consider it bald-a$$ luck - because with that combo, that is exactly what it is.

Where are these magicians that whip a regular 6" group into a tenth of that?
Competing at Bisley, Camp Perry or the Olympics you ask?
Nope, posting on the Internet.

I went shooting today with an LMT MWS in .308, a Springer M1 Garand in .308, and a Knight's Armament SR-15.
I put about 250 rounds down range with some of it benched off a rest. I don't think I printed one group inside 2".
It was a good day, and I'm largely happy with the performance of my rifles and the hand-loads I made for them - me, not so much; need more practice.
 
beltfed said:
I think this statement sums up the frustration most people on here that actually shoot and happen to know what these and other guns are truely capable of feel towards these posts.
Most move along and can't be bothered to get dragged into it -aferall far be it from me to tell you what color the sky is right?
The problem with that is other folks, maybe new to the shooting sports, and maybe folks looking to spend their hard earned cash on said products look at these and might think them to be genuinely capable of this type of performance.
I comment (sometimes negatively) on these posts not to crap on your parade, but to hopefully give a ballanced view as a counter to those posting about their wonder guns that defy the remaining combined shooting community and firearms manufacturers.

What revolutionary manufacturing or work to their barrels is Robarms or Keltec doing to get sub-moa groups from regular dirty bird FMJ ammo you ask?
The answer is nothing, because the claims are by-and-large bullsh!t.
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Ha !
I was giggling at that claim myself. Weekend warriors, lol !
 
I don't think you will regret getting an xcr-m. I have had no problems with mine and put a few hundred rounds through it. Even the factory mag hasn't given me any problems. Try to hold one if you can, they are kind of front heavy.
 
Very true. Even though I am happy with my rifle I should state that it is very picky about ammo it absolutely will not shoot sub 3-4 moa much less 1 moa with crap ammo. Rob arms has a fatal flaw in the design, in the way the barrel is mounted. I can consistently get between 1.25 and 1.5 moa (which I am happy with) but only with expensive match ammo. And due to that little screw being the only thing keeping a steel part against a aluminum part I have to take my sweet ass time between shots to keep the barrel cool other wise a wandering point of impact occurs. This to be honest kinda defeats the purpose of a semi auto, which only advantage over a bolt action is a higher rate of fire. The RFB's design is hopeless in regards to accuracy they use the barrel as a spine for the whole rifle. Op ask your self what kind of shooting do you really do. If you live near a range and honestly will spend most of your time there live with a restricted rifle and scratch the RFB and XCR-m off the list. If you live near private shootable land or crown land pick a NR rifle. I own a XCR-M because im making the best out of a bad situation (our gun laws) and I have access to crown land. In a perfect world I would admire Rob Arms for having the balls to put out a brand new design instead of just taking advantage of a expired AR-15 Patent, but........ I would give my money to LMT or Knights Armament.
 
I also agree that the claims of sub moa with FMJ surplus are complete BS.
I own an RFB and even with handloads (and I've tried a lot of combinations) shooting off a bench with a good scope and both ends of the rifle supported the best groups I've gotten are about 1.5 moa. I'm still doing development trying to find a magic load for it.
I've also shot my buddy's XCR-m and with surplus (norinco and S&B) the best we were getting with is benched and with a good scope was about 3 moa. We didn't try any premium factory loads and the handloads he brought were not working in his rifle, they would fire in my RFB but I didn't shoot any of it for groups. I'm sure the rifle is capable of better than that with premium ammo but I doubt any XCR is going to do sub moa with surplus.

These rifles are not built for accuracy. They are excellent non restricted rifles that are plenty accurate enough to shoot a deer or any other large game out to 200 yards but don't buy one expecting to get a match grade semi auto sniper rifle. They are battle rifles and were designed to produce groups around 5moa, any better than that is just great and thankfully most of them do much better than that.
Since I only have the one day of play time on the XCR-m I don't know much about the reliability of it but my RFB has never had a single failure that wasn't caused by starving it for gas the first couple shots after switching ammo. A couple clicks on the gas adjuster and it was 100% again.

If you want a non restricted accurate 308 for hunting and target use buy a Savage or Remington bolt gun. If you don't mind getting 2-4 moa and want a non restricted 308 semi auto then one of these will work well for you.

Good luck
 
I also agree that 1MOA with an XCR and cheaap FMJ is not realistic. Even with my Swiss, I get 2-3MOA with bulk FMJ. With match ammo/handloads, I can get solid MOA 10 shot groups.
 
To further comment on the groups relative to the barrel. When I've had problems, it was because I didn't tighten the barrel etc. down after dis-assembly - re-assembly, I still haven't given up on an alternative to the single bolt set up, but still haven't gotten together with the gunsmith I was talking to about the modification. The only problem is how much of an improvement will you get. As well as the cost of , possibility of good barrels and on and on. Plus at what point do you become satisfied with what you have and treat it as such. I've seen some good groups out of my Robarm rifles, but tack drivers they're not.
 
I have both a xcr-m and xcr-l 6.8 and 223.I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS at all,I have not Loctite anything, I would recommend either one....

The M (308) Hornady Steel Match is all I ve shot
6.8 Hornady Varmint , Amax (hunting)
223 I have only shot 100 rnds

I like the 6.8 for my needs , so have just left it set up for that,will be selling 223 barrel
 
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