Hawkin 50 cal

[Jack Ryan]

Thompson center's version with out the brass fittings is called the Renegade.

 

[iron cat]

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle

Or, perhaps we need to define what we mean by "Hawken Rifle"? The brothers were gunmakers. The first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was made in 1823 even though they began making rifles in 1815. And so, they made all manner of rifles...all of them Hawken Bros, and yes flintlocks. However, the short, large caliber, handy rifle that we understand at the ubiquitous "Hawken" was a specialty. Hand made, one at a time and a completely different line from the rest of their production guns.

So, was a Hawken ever a flintlock? No. Did the Hawken brothers ever make a flintlock? Yes.

Cool beans eh?

Ah, edit: it seems "Old Bill" was in fact a flinter. Mea Culpa. Even still though, a "Hawken" is a cap lock.

I am speaking about the Hawken Brothers, yes they made flinters earlier on.
I don't consider calling anything but a true Hawken replica a Hawken, anything else is simply a Plains rifle.

 

[iron cat]

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle

Or, perhaps we need to define what we mean by "Hawken Rifle"? The brothers were gunmakers. The first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was made in 1823 even though they began making rifles in 1815. And so, they made all manner of rifles...all of them Hawken Bros, and yes flintlocks. However, the short, large caliber, handy rifle that we understand at the ubiquitous "Hawken" was a specialty. Hand made, one at a time and a completely different line from the rest of their production guns.

So, was a Hawken ever a flintlock? No. Did the Hawken brothers ever make a flintlock? Yes.

Cool beans eh?

Ah, edit: it seems "Old Bill" was in fact a flinter. Mea Culpa. Even still though, a "Hawken" is a cap lock.

The early Hawken plains rifles also had a trigger guard that was flat, laying along the bottom of the stock.
The later rifles had the more recognizable curved trigger guard .
Here is a direct replica of an 1860's Hawken, dubbed the Fraser River Hawkin , made out of Don Robinson's shop in 1980.
30" barrel and 15/16" across the flats
Cat

 

[B_noser]

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle

Or, perhaps we need to define what we mean by "Hawken Rifle"? The brothers were gunmakers. The first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was made in 1823 even though they began making rifles in 1815. And so, they made all manner of rifles...all of them Hawken Bros, and yes flintlocks. However, the short, large caliber, handy rifle that we understand at the ubiquitous "Hawken" was a specialty. Hand made, one at a time and a completely different line from the rest of their production guns.

So, was a Hawken ever a flintlock? No. Did the Hawken brothers ever make a flintlock? Yes.

Cool beans eh?

Ah, edit: it seems "Old Bill" was in fact a flinter. Mea Culpa. Even still though, a "Hawken" is a cap lock.

Having more than a little difficulty following your logic. Would we be correct in understanding you to be saying a Hawken is not a Hawken unless it is a short barrelled half stock heavy plains style rifle? Would you not consider the slightly longer barreled full stock heavy plains style rifles built by Jake and/or Sam to also be authentic Hawkens? If the first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was built in 1823 and it was a percussion, those boys were way ahead of their time. The percussion cap was patented by Joshua Shaw in 1822 and did not come into general use until some time in the 1830's.
Methinks your time would be well spent doing a little more research on the subject.

 

[Painkillers]

The early Hawken plains rifles also had a trigger guard that was flat, laying along the bottom of the stock.
The later rifles had the more recognizable curved trigger guard .
Here is a direct replica of an 1860's Hawken, dubbed the Fraser River Hawkin , made out of Don Robinson's shop in 1980.
30" barrel and 15/16" across the flats
Cat

Nice Buck. Thick neck.

 

[Painkillers]

Having more than a little difficulty following your logic. Would we be correct in understanding you to be saying a Hawken is not a Hawken unless it is a short barrelled half stock heavy plains style rifle? Would you not consider the slightly longer barreled full stock heavy plains style rifles built by Jake and/or Sam to also be authentic Hawkens? If the first iteration of what we understand as a "Hawken" was built in 1823 and it was a percussion, those boys were way ahead of their time. The percussion cap was patented by Joshua Shaw in 1822 and did not come into general use until some time in the 1830's.
Methinks your time would be well spent doing a little more research on the subject.

("Oooo, Ooooo, he's wrong...I get to correct someone publicly and if I put just enough sanctimony into my public correction, people will have no choice but to acknowledge just how smart I really am. Mom was right! I am a smart boy!")

 

[iron cat]

Nice Buck. Thick neck.

Thanks, just a forkhorn, but it was a fun hunt. :>)
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