HD/SHTF Handgun

Couple of thoughts.....

Defensive position (stay in bedroom) I'd say a shotgun.

Going and looking for a DASOB, I'd say a handgun. 40 or 45 with a moderate load.

Also a tactical flashlight NOT mounted to the gun. One of the guys at my gunclub ran a low light shooting night for our IDPA group. Demonstrating many ways to utilize a light. Then at the end we put the skills to use with Airsoft stuff in the club. It was a major eye opener.

I say tactical flashlight because you can use the button the flash the light quickly. Leaving the beam on steady is a BIG sign saying "here I am" You push the button quickly giving a flash, then release, light goes out.
 
I have this little light I forget what type of bulb(verry bright, but low life, its for work, inspecting things) And that thing will blind you even in a lit room.. Mag lights are junk compared to it. In a low light situation, you could flash the guy in the eyes, and he would be stunned for a bit.
 
I wouldn't mess with a handgun if I had a shotgun available. Personally I have a 16ga with slugs handy. My logic is knockdown power above all else. A bad guy hopped up on whatever drug can possibly take a few pistol bullets before going down. If you only get one chance to shoot, better make it count. Overpenetration isn't much of an issue in my house.
 
I have a dog - a dirty filthy stinking dog :), everything is so locked up I don;t have these options... if the noises really sounded like a B & E / breaking glass / forced entry, then I'd be running for my keys first before the guns : lol

but about the pistol whipping comment... is there any technique in particular, on TV the pistol whip seems to either be a conk of the heel of the gun in a sweeping motin or a full on backhand with the barrel.

is there a defacto standard to pistol whipping someone? :D

F7
 
What would hollow points do when they hit dry wall?

I saw a review on a US shot gun site - shooting through layers of drywall with a 6" gap between. 00 buck went thru 9 layers of drywall before it stopped. Buck shot - depending on the distance - still went thru 5 layers.

I'll try and find the link.

LH
 
Answering my own questions:

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From the "box o truth website: I shot a .357 Magnum 158 grain JHP out of my 6" Colt Python.

Much to our surprise, it was stopped by the 10th board after going through 9 boards. It was fully expanded.

I was so surprised, that I did it again, but got the same results.

Who'd a thunk it? The .357 Magnum is supposed to be a big penetrator.
 
Drywall

There are no constants, but usually hollow point handgun projectiles will plug in dry wall, more often than not. Best bet is something light and fast if over penetration is a concern. Thats why 147 gr. 9mm isn't a great performer, it's too slow and doesn't reliably expand. The mid weight nines are the better performers on bipedal critters, 124 and 127 gr. +P loads for general defensive use, and 115 gr. and lighter where over penetration is a concern.
 
Big JD-From the hills said:
Well I don't think one should be pointing a loaded gun at something just to look at it for one thing... and in the dark, someone is likely to grab for the light I would think in an altercation. If you have to discharge a gun in self defence... a few bullet holes in walls is the least of your worries.
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Again, two theories, use the light to ID and as an aiming implement. I would think a sudden flash from a high powered gun light would stun and perhaps be enough for him to turn tail. Then again, if he goes for the light/gun, he is intent on hurting you, so let him suffer the concequences. I prefer the separate light with handgun but mounted with a 12ga.
 
cpt. canuck said:
No I mean are you not worried that you could miss and the round hit a loved one?
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You could do the same with a shot gun. You have to be aware of your surroundings and back stop.
 
Slavex said:
there are pretty much two distinct schools of thought on this. one says shotgun, the other says handgun. With a shotty you are having to contend with a less maneuverable weapon, but with the handgun you have to worry about over penetration.
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It also comes down to what you are comfortable with....I'd bet LEO are more comfortable clearing houses with handguns, ERT with MP-5/ARs and shotguns.
 
Big JD-From the hills said:
yeah but pistol wipping with blued steel is much more ###y :)

I would be more woried about a missed 12 gage rounds more than a 9mmjhp... unless hit in an artery/vital organ, wound from a 9mm has a good chance of being non fatal... wile the shotgun blast to the lower body would be NOT GOOD
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That is why we need a shorti for this purpose. slam right at the guy's nutsack if they break in my house:D . Handgun wound can easly recover but even a small shotgun wound can be very trouble.

Trigun
 
I think there were some glock accessories that included a brass or steel pistol whip grip plug, and a meat tenderizer as a barrel extension...that would be BADD AZZ!
 
Personally I'd use a handgun, 1911 with flying ashtrays and a surfire light in the other hand. Having said that I do have an axe, tomahawk and 10" Kershaw Outcast under the bed.....but that's for Zombies.
 
Gunslinger said:
Personally I'd use a handgun, 1911 with flying ashtrays and a surfire light in the other hand. Having said that I do have an axe, tomahawk and 10" Kershaw Outcast under the bed.....but that's for Zombies.
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Those pesky zombies... will they ever learn ? :)
 
Trigun, what I was trying to get at is, would you rather someone you cared about be hit with a stray 9mm round, or a stray shotgun blast.

I also think that blunt objects can be just as effective as firarms in a CQ situation.. A ball pein hammer to the skull has been quite effecive means of killing farm animals that get buttcherd(pigs, cows, ect)... Plus the problem of blast and noise is not a problem... but it can be just as messy.
 
This is why I keep a knife and tomahawk under the bed, just like Last of the Mohicans,.....cleave then scalp.......:p
 
OK, I'll probably get laughed at, but nobody mentioned using a .22LR handgun. It still has the ability to penetrate drywall and injure/kill a loved one, but that seems pretty remote. As for stopping power, I think I could pistol whip a prowler into submission after throwing 10 rounds of .22LR into him. If there is more than one prowler then I guess I'll just have to hope that the noise of shooting a pistol indoors frightens them off long enough for me to reload. ;)
 
Scenarios:

1. The guy has a gun, you go to hit him with a bat and he shoots/kills you and your whole family...
2. You spray him with 22lr and one shot from his 45 puts you to sleep then he opens up on your family...
3. You open fire and blow him away with your AR/.357/.44mag/shotgun with slugs etc, yay! Then you realize you put the bullets through the side of your house, the side of your neighbours house, and into his 3 year old daughter...

Could you live with your family or an innocent person being harmed by your actions? I know I couldn't...

This goes back to the thread a couple of weeks ago but THINK PEOPLE! Get something that will PUT THEM DOWN in one, maybe two shots for sure. Something that WILL NOT OVERPENETRATE. And most importantly DO NOT MISS! If you don't feel comfortable in your own home with the advantage then head for the hills, put up bars, buy reinforced doors but whatever you do make sure each and every single shot you fire counts or you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun.

For me it's my compact Kimber Tactical with hollow points, if I was assured there was only one person breaking in then I'd feel comfortable with only two rounds in the mag, one to put him down and one to keep him down.

Think about it people.
 
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