Head to head with an anti.

If you do a reverse image search you will find it was a picture of a road kill deer and fawn

This does not surprise me at all. This is the way that Antis think: use any illogical and rude ignorance to stir emotions.

What I don't understand is, did the person that made this know it was a lie? Or the person that passed it to them and said it was shot? Shameful and inhumane is the lying...
 
Nothing bothers me more than someone criticizing my life.
Ok, being called a thief is a close second..
This came up today, so I answered. .

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This picture is disturbing, for many reasons. As a Hunter, I think I can answer the question.
As I mentioned before, there is no season in which a person can shoot an animal while it is caring for its young. "Hunting seasons" are geared around the birth and the time it takes for a mother to care for its young. This photo and it's caption is a form of mongering.
I do not know what a "sport hunter" is. I hunt, I do so to provide for my family. I do it legally and with ethics. I understand the process and live within it.
Our animals that we bring home are used to their fullest potential, there is no waste, we utilize every aspect of our quarry. Every morsel of meat is used, even the hide.
Compare that to a person buying a pound of hamburger at a grocery store. A live animal died in that process, but some people believe that because they didn't see it happen, there was no suffering. That pound of hamburger came off of a living animal, an animal that led a life of confinement, torture and had no chance at escaping it's captor, YOU. Some of it is packaged and sold to consumers, it's life was taken so people can eat. The rest of the meat is tossed away because it had no use, or it expired. A small portion of what consumers contribute to the death of an animal is actually used. Where a true hunyer would consume every ounce of their prey.
When I hunt I remove a single animal, it didn't come from a farm that is pumped full of hormones, steroids or the confines of a cage.
It isnt an excitement when I get an animal, there is regret, a humbling feeling of respect for the quarry, and appreciation for the cycle of the age old instinct to hunt.
I didn't support a mass killing of farm animals to eat, I just don't have it in me to be so closed minded to think if I buy meat at a store that something didn't have to die.
I am not a religious person, but when I stand over my deer I am closer to "god" than any Sunday church goer.
Unlike handing a debit card to a cashier who is taking money for someone killing something for me, I respect my animal. I hold it, thank it and appreciate it.
Meat isn't grown in stores. If you are a vegan, I can appreciate a discomfort with hunting. But if you eat meat and detest hunting it simply makes a person a hypocrite. Just because you didn't kill the hamburger or steak you ate doesn't make you innocent of its death.
I derive a tremendous amout of pleasure from hunting, being in nature and watching it unfold in front of you as the sun comes up is like nothing else. But the moment I release an arrow I feel regret, it is very anticlimactic. But the feeling that knowing I am not supporting a mass killing of cows who's meat is destined to go to waste trumps that feeling.
That photo would sadden the hardest of hunters, but again, it's caption is misleading.
I hate trophy hunters as much as anyone, but they are a rare breed. I am sure I would hate a sport hunter too, if I knew what it was.
Meat eaters support the crualest of what an animal can endure, if they only took the time to see where that food came from they would agree. My animals do not suffer, they are not born in cages too small to move. They don't have thier offspring taken from them and they are not wasted and thrown in the garbage when the market slows down.
I hunt because I eat meat, and I think they deserve respect, not not a price tag and saran wrap.
To qualify myself, I do humane wildlife control for a living. I spend my days saving animals from the fast moving population that others just overlook. I climb in tiny holes, dirty basements, scale roofs in the winter to pluck abandoned babies from places most people won't go. I make sure they are taken care of and get their chance at life.
Meat eaters have no right to put down a hunter, they do not understand the emotions involved in the process.
If anyone knows someone who shoots for enjoyment, or for trophies, pass them on to me, I will educate them in way they won't forget.

Very well worded PYD...
 
Nothing bothers me more than someone criticizing my life.
Ok, being called a thief is a close second..
This came up today, so I answered. .

there have been more people killed in the name of religion (even in today's world) then deer shot in the province..

consider that one..
 
The more I read, the more I realize how few read my response.

I read it. I agree with you that most people have no idea what it takes to get that steak on their plate. Where we differ in opinion is where you state that there is a lot of waste in the process. I've worked in an abattoir and can assure you that this cannot be farther from the truth. There is damn near no waste that i have seen anywhere in the process. The animal, practically in it's entirety, is used for a whole host of products. From dog food to store bought meat, leather, etc. Maybe things are different where you are but i doubt it.

Where we also differ in opinions is on trophy hunting. I do not do it, but i do not take umbrage with those that do. Since we have many trophy hunters here on the board, i'll let them educate you a little further on the subject. I do think you may find it eye opening. I know i did when it was explained to me.

:cheers:
 
"I am not on a "team" with anyone that would shoot a doe at the season that a fawn would still have spots...any more than i am on a team with a person that would shoot someone. For someone to suggest that directly to me...they have a limited understanding of me, they are idiots and provoking a conflict, they are mentally lacking, all of the above. I have no time for someone like that, no reason to associate with them, and certainly no reason to allow such a twisted opinion to matter to me."

Nicely said, nowarningshot :cheers:
 
I agree that game meat should not go to waste.
But I do not see a problem with calling hunting a sport.
Very few folks here can honestly say that they depend on the meat for their only source of animal protein.
I also believe that a properly regulated "trophy" hunt, safari etc, is a "value added" way to manage a resource.
If folks want to pay thousands into the local economy to shoot a rogue lion, or some old past-its-prime rhino etc, that is fine by me.

In fact, conservation efforts depend on that income in many parts of the world. Having a "trophy hunter" cull an old bull elephant, paying thousands and employing many locals is perfectly fine. The meat is never wasted...unlike if it is poached for its tusks, or killed by an angry farmer, both who might well leave it to rot rather than risk illegal possession of bush meat.

I like the OP's letter in general, but I think there is room for other types of hunting, properly done.
 
Thanks for finding that picture, I knew it was roadkill bit couldn't substantiate it.

When I referred to trophy hunters in my message I was doing so from a non hunters perspective. People that do not hunt often see the word "trophy" and associate it to a picture of a deer with no head, poached for its antlers, or tusks, or fins..
I am personally open to any form of hunting, provided it is legal.

As for the waste of production animals, I realize that they will utilize as much of the animal as possible, it would only make sense from a monetary position. I was thinking more about shelf life, but then I honestly have no idea what happens to that meat once it exceeds it's expirey date. Perhaps I shouldn't have even commented on it with my limited knowledge.
 
I worked in a beef processing plant where they killed. Let me tell you something, it turned me off from eating beef for a long time...the holding pens where they were covered in their own feces, crowded in there, the walk down death row where they are cramed rear to face waiting to die. You can tell they knew they were going to die. The "humane" way to kill them is take a piston gun and shoot the piston on the skull until it collapses. Some took 3-5 shots. Can you imagine the pain of this, this wasn't even the kill yet this would only make the animal unconscious. The gate would open and the animal would topple out upon where they hoisted it up by one leg and someone slit it throat. This is where the animal would officially die. Now serve that to your antis. A hunter takes one shot and tries to make it count. A quick clean death.
Tell them to enjoy their burger and steaks.
And yes all of the animal gets used.
 
The term "sport hunter" was actually coined in the 1800s and it referred to a good sport or person who followed the law.

As for the photo, it's nothing but contrived BS and that's all I would take the time to explain to anyone. If they agreed that's all the photo was but still wanted to learn more about hunting, then I'd sit down and have coffee with them. If they wanted to base their argument solely on the photo, I'd wish them a great day and head home. Pick your battles.
 
The more I read, the more I realize how few read my response.

I read your response also. And it bothers me just as much as the crap you responded to. You base your reasoning for hunting by bashing meat production based on the same crap and misinformation that the antis use to go after hunting. There is less waste in animal production than you think. While you can leave inedible parts in the bush or put them in the garbage, Commercial operations must process this waste. The steroid, and hormones comment is more crap from the anti animal movement. And you believe it and perpetuate this crap. Then you throw trophy hunters under the bus as well.
 
I read your response also. And it bothers me just as much as the crap you responded to. You base your reasoning for hunting by bashing meat production based on the same crap and misinformation that the antis use to go after hunting. There is less waste in animal production than you think. While you can leave inedible parts in the bush or put them in the garbage, Commercial operations must process this waste. The steroid, and hormones comment is more crap from the anti animal movement. And you believe it and perpetuate this crap. Then you throw trophy hunters under the bus as well.

Agreed!

Read the OP's post and moved on as my response would have been less than nice.
 
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