Heads up - Awesome tanks

maple_leaf_eh said:
Yup! They count success not in profound knowledge or understanding, but in feet over the threshold. Nothing breeds contempt for change like the appearance of success. Detroit's car makers made that mistake.
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Oh, how very right you are. What a strange little empire the CWM has running it, establishments like that are totally risk averse and self perpetuating. I think that mindset comes from the "old museum" days (on Sussex and the "Vimy House" storage garage) where they cried for so long and hard about living under the Museums of Civilizations shadow and not having a cool eco friendly building to rent floor space off of for wine and cheese parties. God damn after a decade of operations they finally get off their A$$es and actually "do something", amazing. The worst thing is they totally lack ANY outreach to the "military minded" community (wargamers/Modelers/reenacters/Milveh owners) and exist in their own little bubble, anyways it is a strange little world they live and work in and as a taxpaying Canadian I expect more and better.
 
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XRCD011 said:
Oh, how very right you are. What a strange little empire the CWM has running it, establishments like that are totally risk averse and self perpetuating. I think that mindset comes from the "old museum" days (on Sussex and the "Vimy House" storage garage) where they cried for so long and hard about living under the Museums of Civilizations shadow and not having a cool eco friendly building to rent floor space off of for wine and cheese parties. God damn after a decade of operations they finally get ass their A$$es and actually "do something", amazing. The worst thing is they totally lack ANY outreach to the "military minded" community (wargamers/Modelers/reenacters/Milveh owners) and exist in their own little bubble, anyways it is a strange little world they live and work in and as a taxpaying Canadian I expect more and better.
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You were wearing a Kubel Fest shirt, right? Actually, today was earthshakingly difficult for the average museum bureaucrat. The artifacts aren't supposed to be used or worn out. The M113 recovery vehicle, M577 CP and the M3 have to be thoroughly cleaned and fluids drained before they can are "fit" to the standards of the sweeties who who curate the collections. You'll remember the other things were privately owned. Maybe you just need to make friends with the Cold War Collection guys.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
You were wearing a Kubel Fest shirt, right? Actually, today was earthshakingly difficult for the average museum bureaucrat. The artifacts aren't supposed to be used or worn out. The M113 recovery vehicle, M577 CP and the M3 have to be thoroughly cleaned and fluids drained before they can are "fit" to the standards of the sweeties who who curate the collections. You'll remember the other things were privately owned. Maybe you just need to make friends with the Cold War Collection guys.
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No thanks my friend, the "Ottawa Valley Schwimmwagen und Kettenkrad Owners Klub" is a rather small (and sometimes overly vocal) club that holds to nobody and is a stand alone "club" (said totally tongue in cheek). But seriously I wish the CWM all the best and maybe in another decade or two it will get its do-do together, time will tell.
 
I find it very funny how most private military vehicle owners are snobs. As a driver for the cold war collection "Sorpion Tank" all of us are very open to speak with and show off the cold war collection. and we very much enjoy working with the CWM they are doing the best they can with what they have to work with.
 
ID the regimental affiliation of the three soldiers posing with the Panther. Two are wearing khaki wool puttees, the other appears to be wearing leather high tops.
 
BigDave said:
I find it very funny how most private military vehicle owners are snobs. As a driver for the cold war collection "Sorpion Tank" all of us are very open to speak with and show off the cold war collection. and we very much enjoy working with the CWM they are doing the best they can with what they have to work with.
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That's pretty unfortunate that you find most private military vehicles owners to be snobs, I cannot say I have ran into that issue and find most owners proud of their vehicle(s) and work put into restoring and running it. I would suggest you get into the Ottawa Valley Schwimm und Kett klub which is a pretty laid back and cool club but the membership secretary tells me the klub is full up and not taking new members at this time or into the foreseeable future.
The CWM..............."doing the best they can with what they have to work with", now that's a stretch. Glad you had a good time there.
 
AP said:
think they are 'meatheads" (and they are on course)
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Wrong on the MP as Borden was where the location of the Armour (RCAC) School was with Meaford being the ranges for it back in the day before CFB Gagetown. That and the three lads are wearing black berets and belts.
 
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XRCD011 said:
Wrong on the MP as Borden was the Armour school with Meaford being the ranges for it back in the day. That and the three lads are wearing black berets and belts.
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say what? RCSofI and the CPROC School were in Borden... as well as the various other courses over the years; wherever did you get the idea that only Armour trained there? Jesus I think we even trained cooks there as well .. certainly was COTC at the RCSofI as well as Commonwealth Officers Training in the mid '60's ...

As for the MP's -- didnt always wear white blancoed webbing. What I dont know is what side JR NCO's wore the lanyard on. Or even if it was a course "quiff"
 
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say what? RCSofI and the CPROC School were in Borden... as well as the various other courses over the years; wherever did you get the idea that only Armour trained there? Jesus I think we even trained cooks there as well .. certainly was COTC at the RCSofI as well as Commonwealth Officers Training in the mid '60's ...

As for the MP's -- didnt always wear white blancoed webbing. What I dont know is what side JR NCO's wore the lanyard on. Or even if it was a course "quiff"
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Calm down, you are reading far to much in my message and making assumptions on things I never said. And yes everybody and his dog ran their respective schools out of Borden. The three guys standing about the Panther look to be Armour trainees posing beside the tank. I am glad they did back then as its the only pictures of it I have ever seen from that time period. I never "got the idea" that only Armour worked at Borden maybe I was not crystal clear enough for you so I will make sure that does not happen and you will not have to assume anything. I am sure you will bang this drum long and hard but go back and actually read my messages re. Borden/school(s)
 
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XRCD011 said:
Calm down, you are reading far to much in my message and making assumptions on things I never said. And yes everybody and his dog ran their respective schools out of Borden. The three guys standing about the Panther look to be Armour trainees posing beside the tank. I am glad they did back then as its the only pictures of it I have ever seen from that time period.
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I'm pretty calm; my original "quote" of your message was exactly what you said... if that is not what you meant to say (and since your messages have both been edited since you originally wrote them I presume that is the case) ... that's fine. The question was about the three young Jr NCO's and their unit affiliation: without getting a closer look at their cap badges .. I took a guess it was Provost...but I am certainly not sure. Since the photo is black and white ... it is also tough to tell the actual colours of their berets and webbing. The fact that the webbing is not white does not disqualify them as Provost (nor does it make them Provost) ...I dont dispute that there was armour training in Borden at that time ... or in Meaford before it closed (to later reopen) in fact I watched ill tuned Sherman's and Centurions role down behind the PMQ's on Saskatchewan Blvd many times going and returning from the south end of Blackdown and Pylon Hill.
 
^ Just put two and two together, black berets (on the three lads in the pic), Panther tank, Borden, RCAC/Armour School. Totally makes more sense then calling them Meathead/MP/Provost. But hey, feel free to believe whatever you wish. Your assuming that I was saying ONLY Armour School worked/trained at Borden is all yours, but fear naught in future I shall endeavour to lay it out far more clearer so you will not have to "fill in the blanks" with assumptions.
 
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^ Just put two and two together, black berets (on the three lads in the pic), Panther tank, Borden, RCAC/Armour School. Totally makes more sense then calling them Meathead/MP/Provost. But hey, feel free to believe whatever you wish. Your assuming that I was saying ONLY Armour School worked/trained at Borden is all yours, but fear naught in future I shall endeavour to lay it out far more clearer so you will not have to "fill in the blanks" with assumptions.
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Thank you - I will look forward to that.
 
I went thru the RCAC School in Borden 50 yrs ago. It was kind of the belly button of the Army at the time with other Corps schools there incl the RCS of I, the RCASC School, the CProC school, and the RCAMC School. The RCA School was in Shilo, the RCE in Chilliwack, RCOC in Montreal, RCSigs and RCEME in Kingston.
 
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