Heads Up Guys,Change in Shipping Firearms with Canada Post

[promac]

Relax peoplel. The CP regulation as follows means that the shipper (you) must call the CFC to determine if you can ship your firearms without an ATT. You do not have to and should not give CP any information about the contents of your shipment or licence information. CP may have found out that customers were sending firearms via Expedited and ExpressPost which may be in violation of CFC regulations - hence reason for the notice of policy.

"Firearms (including imitation and replica firearms)

Please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre at 1 800 731-4000 to determine whether it is permissible to ship your firearms.

When it is determined permissible to ship firearms, they are to be shipped using Canada Post’s most secure product, Priority Courier with signature."

 

[dusty61]

Wasn`t Priority Courier required for Restricted and long guns could still go Expidited or Express with Sig required????

 

[riden]

Dave, there have been scathing posts on this site, where folks describe returning home from work to find a long box leaning against the front door - or a short box between the doors - and a forged signature on the slip. If there is a widespread problem, it is with contract delivery, not CP employees.Whether Priority would address this issue, I don't know. Delivery to the destination would still be by a contractor.
CP would benefit financially if Priority were mandated. This is a premium service, with comensurate fees.

I did this job when I was a young fella. Tiriaq is right. CP was paid by the route and contractors were by the piece. So CP would routinely add bundles of mail to the contractors, lessening their load.

Truth is, some parcels never even left the post office and were claimed as undelivered. We had a special hiding spot. We didn't have time to walk up stairs (apt building) or go any distance out of our way, that was just the reality, not about not tryingto do a bad job, we just couldn't keep with the manpower we had.

CP could milk this kind of thing for extra coin, contractors have their arse run off, for a lot less coin.

Reality was, a lot of parcels weren't delivered in the fashion they should have been.

 

[hunterhenderson]

I don't need to read it again.I read it a fair number of times before i replied.

That's why i said "IF you are calling me a liar".

It just sounds that way to me the way it is written.It sounds like that because he found no mention of it on their web page i must have made it up or something.

However, If that is indeed not what he meant and i took it the wrong way then l i surely do apologize.

I don't need to calm down or anything i am not jumping up and down mad or all riled up or even mildly upset as far as that goes but i am not the best at putting stuff in words so i guess that is indeed must be how it sounded.

Or you guys wouldn't think that i was.

He didn't out and out call me a liar so i shouldn't have even used that word.

All i really should have said i guess was that if what he meant was he didn't believe me then that is his perogative.

Or better yet as i was not upset i should just not have bothered replying at all.

I guess i probably shouldn't have posted anything at all being poor at typing.I guess i am better of just reading them then responding or making them and that is what i usually do so i should have stuck with it.

People would have found out on there own about it anyways.


So Tiriaq if i misunderstood it i am sorry.

put a sock in it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Steeleco]

just a question, but if you don't identify it as a firearm - and it happens to get lost in the mail? are u sh>t out of luck?

If they loose anything insured, they'd need to find it first to tell you they won't cover it. But then you'd have your item back!!!

I'm sure the poop will hit the fan but ignorance is bliss!!!

 

[X-man]

Good luck filing an insurance claim with Canada Post! You're looking at a minimum of 3+ months before you ever seen a dime from them in my experience. I'm still waiting for a shipping fee refund since October. (Paid for Xpresspost Shipping and didn't get it!) There's no practical difference between Xpresspost and Priority, in most cases both parcels go in the same bag and ship on the same aircraft. Just another money grab by Canada Post. From my perspective, its high time the government reigned in these arseholes and made them operate as a not-for-profit crown corporation...i.e., charge only enough to cover payroll and meet operating expenses and stop raping consumers every chance they get!

 

[painperdou]

Ya definately I agee need to know basis and they dont need to know

 

[Doug]

At the risk of repeating a few bits that are already in this thread:

1. The Canada Post regulations are internal regulations for a Crown Corporation. They are not LAWS.

2. This decision is certainly months old, and is not one of the new changes coming into effect tomorrow - as I understood it, tomorrow's changes are all monetary as opposed to "policy" but I have not pursied this.

3. Firearms owners need to comply with the LAW (or not, if you are a LUFA member or whatever - your personal choice). The LAW states that we can ship firearms via Canada Post and specifically mandates a signature requirement. The LAW does not state that we have to use a specific service provided by CP. If the mealy-mouthed money-grubbing low-life scum-suckers at CP HQ decide to try to screw us by making an interpretation that one of their services is more secure than another, we can just as properly make our own security assessment and decide that CP is blowing air up their butts. There is a very significant monetary difference between Priority Courier charges and regular parcel post/Expedited Parcel charges, generally more than double.

4. I have mailed quite a goodly number of firearms around the country. Most times I use the CP Expedited Parcel service (I got a small business "Venture One" card through my privately-owned corporation, which has nothing to do with firearms), I always insure the parcel for full value, and I always get signature on delivery. Signature only costs $1.50 and is specifically mandated by law. Insurance is seventy-five cents per hundred dollars of insured value, so IMHO that is also cheap.

5. As a number of folks have pointed out, and I wish to underline emphatically, you do NOT have to declare what is in your parcel, but you do have to warrant that it does not contain dangerous goods. It is simply nobody's business what you have in the box. If you feel compelled to tell somebody who is being nosey, tell them sporting goods or (what I also say, as somebody else mentioned), GOLF CLUBS.

6. If your parcel goes astray and you need to tell CP what was in it, tell them the truth. You have not broken ANY LAW, you may not have complied with some internal Canada Post regulation, but you have no civic duty to know that regulation. You are required to know the LAW, which you complied with by paying for signature on delivery when you mailed the parcel.

7. For the record, Sako 220 is a very good guy.

Doug

 

[SAKO220]

Thanks Doug,The feeling is absolutely mutual.Haven't talked to you in a little while.I hope you are doing well and your health is good.Talk to you soon.

Robin.