Sunray, That isn't really true, I'm not saying you're wrong for the most part, but I've seen several patern 14 and 17 rifles as well as Wesinghouse Mosins and No1 mk lll and no 4 Lee Enfields and mauser 98s, 95s, 91s, Ross rifles etc that were in VG to excellent condition, that were converted to DP status. Drill Purpose rifles can be anything from derelict junkers to brand new rifles that have the unfortunate happenstance of becomeing surplus to current and future needs. bearhunter