Heavy barrels for hunting?

Last year I tried out a bunch of guns. I took out my Savage 12FVSS in .308. I carried it on average for 4-6 hours of continuous walking for 3 days with breaks only for the odd animal noise (and shooting my deer). At the end of the day you feel it, but it's not bad enough that you feel it after relaxing for a couple of hours.

I then took out a Marlin 336 with no optics. The thing was too light for me. At the end of the day you still feel like your arms have been holding a gun the whole day. I sold it ASAP. I loved the idea of a lever gun with iron sights for the thick bush. But I just didn't like it. So basically for my frame, 6'6" and 240lbs, there was no real difference.
 
Last year I tried out a bunch of guns. I took out my Savage 12FVSS in .308. I carried it on average for 4-6 hours of continuous walking for 3 days with breaks only for the odd animal noise (and shooting my deer). At the end of the day you feel it, but it's not bad enough that you feel it after relaxing for a couple of hours.

I then took out a Marlin 336 with no optics. The thing was too light for me. At the end of the day you still feel like your arms have been holding a gun the whole day. I sold it ASAP. I loved the idea of a lever gun with iron sights for the thick bush. But I just didn't like it. So basically for my frame, 6'6" and 240lbs, there was no real difference.

Different strokes for different folks. I think I will be in your category. :)
 
I use my Savage 10FPLE1A as a deer rifle. Not for pushing bush, but a park and wait. I set it up with a leupold VXII 1-4x20mm the other year... I like it, so does the lil lady! :D

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Lucky you! I got my wife to come out with handguns and even take a holster qualification course. I don't think there is a chance she will be shooting any animals let alone a deer. Can't have everything I guess. :p
 
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Big C keep you azz in the gym and just be a little lighter come hunting season and you'll be fine. I'm sure if guys think your an "oddball" they'll keep their comments to themselves:D. Your not at all an oddball many people use heavy barrel guns to hunt with. You may just find it will become a little heavy if you get doing some serious walking with it.


Thanks dude. ;)
 
Length alone is not the problem. I own a very nice 1908 7X57 full wood military Mauser that is an inch over 4' long and this rifle is a joy to carry and shoot, even in heavy cover. Within reason, neither is weight a problem provided the piece is well balanced. I carried a 12 pound double rifle over hill and dale under the African sun in Tanzania without loosing my desire to be there. But my modern .308 target rifle, an inch shorter than that gorgeous Mauser, with it's long high mounted S&B 4-16X 34 mm scope, equipped with a bi-pod because it is so muzzle heavy that it is all but impossible to shoot off hand or even for shooting slung up from a supported position, and weighing in at 20 pounds or so, is miserable to carry from the truck to the firing line. Clearly your Savage is not as bad to carry as my .308, but neither is it going to be as nice to hunt with as my 7X57. While your Savage is heavier than a true sporter, and while the balance will be decidedly muzzle heavy, it is more along the lines of a walking varmint rifle than it is to a full blown target rifle, in large part due to its slim stock. I could see such a rifle being useful as deer/pronghorn/coyote rifle in the country that extends from south-western Manitoba, across much of southern Saskatchewan, into south-eastern Alberta.

Ontario is a pretty big place with very diverse topography. If my recollection of the country along the north Shore of Lake Superior is accurate, I would look for something lighter in a rifle should hunting in that type of terrain be in your plans. However, if your hunting style involves more glassing and less movement in gentler terrain, that outfit will do fine. It would also do fine if you were to hunt from a quad or snowmobile, where the seat can be used as a padded rest, if legal. Although its not my first choice of cartridge, I would not be at all concerned taking a moose with a .270 provided it was loaded with an appropriate bullet. I can't imagine a situation where a .30/06 would prevail with a 180 bullet but a .270 would fail with a 150, there just isn't that much difference between them. But in thick cover, the low magnification of your scope is not low enough, so your field of view will be too narrow for a snap shot at a fleeting target. The scope body is long and if you leave the bi-pod attached they will both catch on branches when you are in a hurry. For big game hunting purposes, a smaller scope combined with a sling that is suitable for both carrying and shooting the rifle (google Galco Safari Ching Sling) will be more useful to you than the bi-pod and high powered scope, unless you intend to delve into long range game shooting, but that game is not for everyone.
 
Length alone is not the problem. I own a very nice 1908 7X57 full wood military Mauser that is an inch over 4' long and this rifle is a joy to carry and shoot, even in heavy cover. Within reason, neither is weight a problem provided the piece is well balanced. I carried a 12 pound double rifle over hill and dale under the African sun in Tanzania without loosing my desire to be there. But my modern .308 target rifle, an inch shorter than that gorgeous Mauser, with it's long high mounted S&B 4-16X 34 mm scope, equipped with a bi-pod because it is so muzzle heavy that it is all but impossible to shoot off hand or even for shooting slung up from a supported position, and weighing in at 20 pounds or so, is miserable to carry from the truck to the firing line. Clearly your Savage is not as bad to carry as my .308, but neither is it going to be as nice to hunt with as my 7X57. While your Savage is heavier than a true sporter, and while the balance will be decidedly muzzle heavy, it is more along the lines of a walking varmint rifle than it is to a full blown target rifle, in large part due to its slim stock. I could see such a rifle being useful as deer/pronghorn/coyote rifle in the country that extends from south-western Manitoba, across much of southern Saskatchewan, into south-eastern Alberta.

Ontario is a pretty big place with very diverse topography. If my recollection of the country along the north Shore of Lake Superior is accurate, I would look for something lighter in a rifle should hunting in that type of terrain be in your plans. However, if your hunting style involves more glassing and less movement in gentler terrain, that outfit will do fine. It would also do fine if you were to hunt from a quad or snowmobile, where the seat can be used as a padded rest, if legal. Although its not my first choice of cartridge, I would not be at all concerned taking a moose with a .270 provided it was loaded with an appropriate bullet. I can't imagine a situation where a .30/06 would prevail with a 180 bullet but a .270 would fail with a 150, there just isn't that much difference between them. But in thick cover, the low magnification of your scope is not low enough, so your field of view will be too narrow for a snap shot at a fleeting target. The scope body is long and if you leave the bi-pod attached they will both catch on branches when you are in a hurry. For big game hunting purposes, a smaller scope combined with a sling that is suitable for both carrying and shooting the rifle (google Galco Safari Ching Sling) will be more useful to you than the bi-pod and high powered scope, unless you intend to delve into long range game shooting, but that game is not for everyone.

Boomer, I can tell when someone is an armchair hunter/shooter that just likes to babble on the internet about things they have only read about. You are definitely not one of them. I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for your insight!
 
I hunted for 2 years with a 10-11 lb. Weatherby with a steel picatinny rail and steel tactical rings. 10X scope and 26" barrel. I'm 5'6" and 155 lbs. I bought a wide sling and got tougher. Did run into the sight picture thing once. About 60 yds. Still managed to put him in the freezer. Hit him a little far back, bottom of lung. Shot off hand, kneeling.
 
Now that I have the rifle in my hands I have noticed two things. First, I actually love the paint job! Pictures didn't do it justice. Second, I would be very surprised if I couldn't comfortably carry this all day for eight hours. I didn't have to use my sling as the seller already had one attached along with about 40 reloads, a bore snake, and some extra bullets for reloading. Even had some Lee dies for me! Don't you love it when you get the "extras" with a CGN deal?!? Now the agony of waiting for my first hunt begins! :p Anybody in the GTA please take me under your wing! I will cook meals and carry the moose/deer out on my back! :p
 
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If theirs any chance the area you'll be hunting in is anything but an open field, I'd consider swapping the scope to something with a lower magnification on the low end.

Most big game in Ontario is taken under 100 yards. You'd be surprised how much is taken in the 20-30 yard range. Trying to get a high powered scope on target quicly at that range will be difficult at best.
 
If theirs any chance the area you'll be hunting in is anything but an open field, I'd consider swapping the scope to something with a lower magnification on the low end.

Most big game in Ontario is taken under 100 yards. You'd be surprised how much is taken in the 20-30 yard range. Trying to get a high powered scope on target quicly at that range will be difficult at best.

Thanks. Will take that into consideration.
 
I hunt with my heavy barrels a bit, seven deer with them last year. For the most part they are clumsy compared to sporter weights, and really only shine for prone shooting past 500. For general purpose hunting I consider them a disadvantage, enough so that there is always a standard weight rifle along to switch to.
 
I hunt with my heavy barrels a bit, seven deer with them last year. For the most part they are clumsy compared to sporter weights, and really only shine for prone shooting past 500. For general purpose hunting I consider them a disadvantage, enough so that there is always a standard weight rifle along to switch to.

Seven deer last year alone? I need to find friends like you! :eek:
 
If you're hunting in the bush you will need to get a 1x4 or 2x7 scope or at least a 3x9. I have found 4x to be too much. I have taken several deer and the furthest shot was 100yds so far. Most were taken around 25yds with heavy and standard barrels and iron sights, scopes set at 1-3x or 1x red dots.
From my experience and what others in the bush use it's 1.5 to 2x power scopes and standard sporter weight 7-8lbs with 22" barrels which is where I have come to realize myself is perfect for where I hunt.
You will have disadvantage if your in thick brush, but you'll be fine in the plains or open fields, depends where you go.
 
If you're hunting in the bush you will need to get a 1x4 or 2x7 scope or at least a 3x9. I have found 4x to be too much. I have taken several deer and the furthest shot was 100yds so far. Most were taken around 25yds with heavy and standard barrels and iron sights, scopes set at 1-3x or 1x red dots.
From my experience and what others in the bush use it's 1.5 to 2x power scopes and standard sporter weight 7-8lbs with 22" barrels which is where I have come to realize myself is perfect for where I hunt.
You will have disadvantage if your in thick brush, but you'll be fine in the plains or open fields, depends where you go.

So what's the best for both worlds, bush and open fields? A 3-9?

I am surprised a 5 times isn't low enough. I can use my scope at 5 times inside my house and I don't live in a mansion. :p
 
If I'm posting, I take a light weight rifle with a 3x9, BLR, Micro Medallion, Mod 7 etc, this yr it will be my new Sako A7, and if I draw the walking card, I go as light as possible, usually a 94. I'm old and don't need any extra ounces to lug. I even leave my second key ring and pocket change at home. My heavy barrels are left for the bench rest.
 
So what's the best for both worlds, bush and open fields? A 3-9?
Yea, get a 3x9. It's what I use on my pet, go anywhere rifle.
If you find it too much power you can always get another type later. In thick brush I can live with 3x, but I like 2x better.

I can guarantee you that 5x is way too much for thick brush. Once you hunt in it you'll understand. You won't have the luxury of relaxing in your house. More than likely you'll be standing and have to make a quick turn to your rear when a deer almost runs right over you. :)
 
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