Heavy pills in 30-06 - powder ideas?

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I am waiting for a new barrel for my 30-06 built and start thinking about what load I am going to work to start. 26'' 1-10 twist 5grooves. That should allow me to shoot heavier bullets with better BC's for long range (target). I am thinking Hybrids 215 or ELD-M 208gr. I always used H4350 for my '06 with 178-180 bullets and had a decent load, but what would be a good powder to start for 200gn+ pills ? I think something slower than H or IMR4350/RL16 could be a better fit, but looking for any experience from fellow reloaders . Curious what you guys could recommend. Ideally something temperature stable e.g. Enduron/Extreme series.

Thanks guys.
 
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Here is some info right from powder manufacturers. I load my 180"s with IMR4350 and have good results, this same powder is listed all the way to 220gr so it should work well. The other good powder is IMR4831, which should work little better for 200gr ish and I think RL-16 is a little too fast burning for this weight.
 
.30-06 Springfield (Using 220 GR Nosler Bullets)

Warning! Notes: rifle: barrel: Lilja; length: 24"; twist: 1-10"; case: Nosler; primer: WLR; maximum SAAMI overall cartridge length: 3.340"; bullets: Partition Semi- Spitzer; OACL: 3.320". Use Maximum Loads with Caution

Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Winchester W-760 48.0 2,398
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Winchester W-760 46.0 2,296
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Winchester W-760 44.0 2,214
Remarks: most accurate load tested

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Ramshot Hunter 54.5 2,487
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Ramshot Hunter 52.5 2,433
Remarks: most accurate load tested
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Ramshot Hunter 50.5 2,350
Remarks:


220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-4350 51.5 2,488
Remarks: maximum load; most accurate load tested
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-4350 49.5 2,400
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-4350 47.5 2,312

Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-19 55.0 2,507
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-19 53.0 2,416
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-19 51.0 2,325
Remarks: most accurate load tested

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-22 57.0 2,602
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-22 55.0 2,512
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Alliant RL-22 53.0 2,423
Remarks: most accurate load tested

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N160 55.5 2,503
Remarks: maximum load; most accurate load tested
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N160 53.5 2,415
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N160 51.5 2,327

Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Hodgdon H-4831 55.0 2,478
Remarks: maximum load; most accurate powder tested
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Hodgdon H-4831 53.0 2,382
Remarks: most accurate powder tested
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Hodgdon H-4831 51.0 2,287
Remarks: most accurate load tested; most accurate powder tested

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-7828 56.0 2,507
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-7828 54.0 2,412
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer IMR IMR-7828 52.0 2,316
Remarks: most accurate load tested

220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N165 56.5 2,431
Remarks: maximum load
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N165 54.5 2,354
Remarks:
220 Nosler Partition Semi Spitzer Vihtavuori VV-N165 52.5 2,275
Remarks: most accurate load tested

Personal note: RL-17 very much like a different lot/batch of IMR 4350
 
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I don't think Superformance is the best powder for long range. It can give higher ES from what I have read. I would use a slower powder than H4350 as well. Heck my 270 runs RL22.
 
I suggest you avoid 4350 in a target rifle. It burns at a higher temp than 4831 and is harder on barrel life.

Hunters don't shoot a couple thousand rounds, but target shooters do.

I would try H3831SC and RL22.
 
One powder that is often overlooked for the 30-06 because for most bullet weights it's just to slow is IMR7828 and IMR7828ssc.

I prefer the IMR7828SSC because I can get enough into the case.

I started with 58 grains over CCI 250 primers under 200 grain bullets. This load gave me a relatively mild load with the heavy bullet that generated around 2450fps. I kept increasing the charge until it was slightly compressed and I was getting a consistent velocity averaging 2650 fps. I needed a long drop tube to get that powder into the case and still leave enough neck to keep tension on the bullet.

I like this combination because it's very accurate in both of the rifles I shoot it in. ZKK600 with 24in bbl and a Zoli which is a licensed copy of the Husquvarna 1600 only smoother.

I've also developed another load which works well with 200 grain bullets in my Remington 700.

Started with 55 grains of RL22 over CCI 250 primers under 200 grain bullets for a velocity just over 2400fps. Again, I kept increasing the charge until I was getting the same average 2650fps but with primers starting to flatten.

Here's the fly in the ointment. The IMR load wouldn't shoot well in the Remington and the RL load wouldn't shoot well in the other two rifles.

The two European rifles have longer freebore than the Remington and their chambers are close to minimum spec. The Remington has a chamber close to maximum spec but a shorter throat.

So I keep two 50 round boxes, loaded, on hand. One marked for REMINGTON ONLY and the other two, EUROPEAN ONLY.

Depending on the quality of the bullet jackets all three rifles will shoot just under 1 moa groups out to 300 yards. After that, trajectory gets complicated in the field.

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Ganderite said:
I suggest you avoid 4350 in a target rifle. It burns at a higher temp than 4831 and is harder on barrel life.

Hunters don't shoot a couple thousand rounds, but target shooters do.

I would try H3831SC and RL22.
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M70 featherweight has darn near 4000 rounds through it. All with h4350 still shoots almost as good as when it was new.
 
Ganderite said:
I thought Remington always had the longest throats. It comes in handy when you want to shoot a long (heavy) bullet.
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I believe you're correct on that point. This particular rifle has a very short throat though. Not sure why

It's an older 700 from the early 90s. Right about the time they went through a retooling. It is however a great shooter and with 165 grain bullets it wouldn't make any difference. The rifles with the deepest throats now, seem to be Tikka T3s.

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Thanks guys, you kinda confirmed what I thought. I guess if I go with a slower burn rate like H4831SC or RL22, I should use Magnum primers ? I use Feds 210M normally with the H4350 for my lighter bullets loads.
 
Ganderite said:
I thought Remington always had the longest throats. It comes in handy when you want to shoot a long (heavy) bullet.
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Yes they do, I owned a number of 700's and every single one a very long leade, setting the bullet as far as I could still wouldn't get me where I'd like to be so I usually get the barred re-chambered.
 
My 220 grain .30-06 loads typically consist of a Hornady 220 grain RN Interlock and a large dose of H4831. CCI 250 mag primers. Velocity was over 2400 fps and accuracy was excellent. This isn't necessarily a target round, rather was a dedicated hunting round. The Hornady 220's don't perform like they did 20 years ago as I think Hornady changed the recipe somewhere along the way, but they still make big holes with a long, straight wound channel.
 
bearhunter said:
One powder that is often overlooked for the 30-06 because for most bullet weights it's just to slow is IMR7828 and IMR7828ssc.

I prefer the IMR7828SSC because I can get enough into the case.

I started with 58 grains over CCI 250 primers under 200 grain bullets. This load gave me a relatively mild load with the heavy bullet that generated around 2450fps. I kept increasing the charge until it was slightly compressed and I was getting a consistent velocity averaging 2650 fps. I needed a long drop tube to get that powder into the case and still leave enough neck to keep tension on the bullet.

I like this combination because it's very accurate in both of the rifles I shoot it in. ZKK600 with 24in bbl and a Zoli which is a licensed copy of the Husquvarna 1600 only smoother.

I've also developed another load which works well with 200 grain bullets in my Remington 700.

Started with 55 grains of RL22 over CCI 250 primers under 200 grain bullets for a velocity just over 2400fps. Again, I kept increasing the charge until I was getting the same average 2650fps but with primers starting to flatten.

Here's the fly in the ointment. The IMR load wouldn't shoot well in the Remington and the RL load wouldn't shoot well in the other two rifles.

The two European rifles have longer freebore than the Remington and their chambers are close to minimum spec. The Remington has a chamber close to maximum spec but a shorter throat.

So I keep two 50 round boxes, loaded, on hand. One marked for REMINGTON ONLY and the other two, EUROPEAN ONLY.

Depending on the quality of the bullet jackets all three rifles will shoot just under 1 moa groups out to 300 yards. After that, trajectory gets complicated in the field.

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I have often wondered about IMR 7828ssc, but also wasn't sure if a person could stuff enough in a case for a 220 grainer.
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 225, Hornady ELD-M 30904
Useable Case Capaci: 59.954 grain H2O = 3.893 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.550 inch = 90.17 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Barrel Time: 1.329 milliseconds
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

91 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                  96.3     57.2     3.71    2623   100.0    56475    9020   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    100.0     58.7     3.81    2588    96.4    57954    9471   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 100.0     55.9     3.62    2586    99.2    58524    9070   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 102.7     55.5     3.60    2574   100.0    58933    8134   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  88.0     51.0     3.31    2571   100.0    59248    8006   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        97.8     55.5     3.60    2569    98.0    56834    9036   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                  94.9     51.1     3.31    2565   100.0    60930    7917   1.329  ! Near Maximum ! 
Ramshot Hunter                      93.4     53.3     3.45    2564   100.0    60598    8352   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      88.4     51.7     3.35    2562    99.9    60980    8370   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        88.4     51.7     3.35    2562    99.9    60980    8370   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  97.5     53.9     3.49    2559    99.2    59840    8664   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      99.7     60.0     3.89    2557    99.4    57080    8694   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            98.6     52.2     3.38    2550   100.0    62718    7803   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  86.4     47.7     3.09    2541   100.0    63689    7620   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      102.8     55.2     3.58    2533    97.6    59573    8564   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    98.9     55.2     3.58    2533    97.6    59573    8564   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       96.4     52.1     3.38    2528    99.8    61971    8018   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            94.6     52.0     3.37    2527    99.8    62007    8000   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 96.3     51.5     3.34    2523   100.0    62343    7314   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   101.0     54.3     3.52    2523    98.1    61367    8380   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron                    91.2     49.8     3.23    2522    99.9    62635    7897   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      88.0     47.0     3.05    2484   100.0    61101    7345   1.330  ! Near Maximum !
 
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