Heil.... Ackbar?

where the duece are they getting ammo? the gun might sit in a desert for 70 years and be fine, but didnt wartime german ammo corrode itself away really bad?
 
Rifle would hav had to be brought in from the Continent somehow. The war in North Africa was over before the StG-44 entered production.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, Mother Russia was handing out huge quantities of weapons to anyone who looked mildly anti-British or anti-French or (especially) anti-American.

As well, a number of plants in (Communist) Liberated Europe continued manufacturing "German" weapons, complete with Nazi-era markings into the early 1950s. These proved very handy to various revolting and warring factions and a real boon to the interfering (and supplying) States involved, as the weapons, by the markings upon them, were completely deniable: "WE aren't supplying anyone with WEAPONS; it must have been the NAZIS who left them lying around!!! See: they even MARKED them!"

I know that this happened. I once saw an entire crate of Kar 98k rifles just after it was opened. It had been surplussed by a small Middle Eastern country which shall remain unnamed but which was converting from a mixture of ammunition types to 7.62NATO. ALL of the dozen rifles were in grease, unfired, bore markings from one of 3 factories, 1944 and 1945 dates..... and ALL TWELVE rifles were numbered with the SAME 3 punches! Rifle 4554 was in there with 4455 and 5544 and 4545 and 5454 and 5445. And this was supposed to be a crate of surplus "German wartime" rifles!

The Americans use the same dodge with all those brand-new "Russian" AKMs they they supplied to the Mujahideen during the Soviet occupation. The rifles were made by a Russian-tooled and -equipped plant at Ma'adi, in Egypt, bore Russian markings and could not be told from a genuine Russian rifle.

I suspect that this is much more common than folks might think.
 
The rifles were sold/given to Syria most likely from Tito or Honecker. They could've also arrived via Libya.

StG44's have been found in quantity in Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, and also Somalia... Who knows where else those rifles have been around in Afrika.

The Yugo paras used them for quite a while, and so did the East German Volkspolizei. StG44 mags were produced post war by Ernst-Thälmann-Werke, Suhl, Thüringen, they are marked MP44 1001, I have one of them too.
 
The German issue ammunition for the StG 44 is made the same way as most 7.62x25mm and 7.62x39mm ammunition being sold as surplus today.
The use of steel cases coated with lacquer was developed to save brass.
The Warsaw Pack made much use of steel cases for small arms ammunition after the war. Some steel cases were given a brass wash.
My Czech 7.62x25mm was made in 1953, opened and inspected in 2005 and repacked with waterproof paper, shoots just fine.
Military ammunition is usually loaded with a liquid seal around the bullet and primer for water proofing, which also aids in long term storage.
 
It's fairly obvious to me, that the Syrians have a time machine, but the switch is stuck on past, not future. The've been going back to bring things from the past, into the present. This also explains a lot about arab culture regarding women, and ###s.
 
Libya had substantial Caches of these arms and ammo .. there were pics of warehouses filled with STG44 and ammo when Libya fell.

the arms from there fueled the Civil war in Syria and is fueling the insurgency in Mali as well, there has been a small arms explosion in north and central Africa all from Libya.

when Syria falls.. they will pay it forward.. did none of you read Bin laden's manifesto? Everything is playing out as he had foreseen.
 
Al Qaeda is struggling to ride the whirlwind. They want to be in control of the new order but it remains to be seen whether the people want what al Qaeda wants.
 
The Syrian army also used WWII German AFVs in the 1950s-1960s, such as the Pz. IV and StuG III.
 
Why would anyone believe the Nazis would give rifles to ISRAEL?



smellie said:
Rifle would hav had to be brought in from the Continent somehow. The war in North Africa was over before the StG-44 entered production.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, Mother Russia was handing out huge quantities of weapons to anyone who looked mildly anti-British or anti-French or (especially) anti-American.

As well, a number of plants in (Communist) Liberated Europe continued manufacturing "German" weapons, complete with Nazi-era markings into the early 1950s. These proved very handy to various revolting and warring factions and a real boon to the interfering (and supplying) States involved, as the weapons, by the markings upon them, were completely deniable: "WE aren't supplying anyone with WEAPONS; it must have been the NAZIS who left them lying around!!! See: they even MARKED them!"

I know that this happened. I once saw an entire crate of Kar 98k rifles just after it was opened. It had been surplussed by a small Middle Eastern country which shall remain unnamed but which was converting from a mixture of ammunition types to 7.62NATO. ALL of the dozen rifles were in grease, unfired, bore markings from one of 3 factories, 1944 and 1945 dates..... and ALL TWELVE rifles were numbered with the SAME 3 punches! Rifle 4554 was in there with 4455 and 5544 and 4545 and 5454 and 5445. And this was supposed to be a crate of surplus "German wartime" rifles!

The Americans use the same dodge with all those brand-new "Russian" AKMs they they supplied to the Mujahideen during the Soviet occupation. The rifles were made by a Russian-tooled and -equipped plant at Ma'adi, in Egypt, bore Russian markings and could not be told from a genuine Russian rifle.

I suspect that this is much more common than folks might think.
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DATES, friend!

By the time Israel got going, Nazi Germany was a bad note in a leaky history book. But there were lots of weapons around, so these must have been "surplus".

You don't think that the good folks in Czechoslovakia would ignore a United Nations embargo on weapons going into Palestine, do you?

Of course not.

So they cranked them out with Nazi markings, on the same machine-tools as had been used 3 or or 5 years before to make the same rifles for Uncle Adolf.

Anybody with half a brain knew what was going on but it was POLITICALLY DENIABLE.
 
I had heard a number of weeks ago that a stockpile of about 5000 StG44's were found in Syria... laughed because I figured they would never find ammo for them.

So much for that.
 
Haha buddy doesn't realize that he could sell that gun for 8k and buy a first class ticket as a refugee to some handout nations like ours.
 
sledge said:
Buddy needs to open his eyes, stop praying, and start practicing some proper marksmanship.
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No he doesn't. It won't be long before our Islam loving liberal governments will be sending our boys over there. I say keep praying buddy we'll aim our shots and see who hits then.

(I did at first say "and see who wins then" but relized there ain't no winning for any western country there.)
 
Great reply thanks :) Lots of Stg-44 in this film!

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smellie said:
DATES, friend!

By the time Israel got going, Nazi Germany was a bad note in a leaky history book. But there were lots of weapons around, so these must have been "surplus".

You don't think that the good folks in Czechoslovakia would ignore a United Nations embargo on weapons going into Palestine, do you?

Of course not.

So they cranked them out with Nazi markings, on the same machine-tools as had been used 3 or or 5 years before to make the same rifles for Uncle Adolf.

Anybody with half a brain knew what was going on but it was POLITICALLY DENIABLE.
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