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The new reloading regulations are out and include new regs for black powder so you flintlock shooters can now legally have as little qty as 2 -1 lb cans of goex depending on what home you live in,anymore and you are a bad person.:kickInTheNuts:

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2012/2012-03-17/html/reg1-eng.html

301. No more than 25 kg of propellant powder, of which no more than 5 kg may be black powder, may be stored at any one time in a detached dwelling or a storage unit that is attached to a dwelling.

Other dwellings — smokeless powder

302. (1) The maximum quantity of smokeless powder that may be stored at any one time in a dwelling that is located in a building containing other dwellings is

(a) 20 kg, if all the powder is in containers that hold no more than 1 kg; or

(b) 5 kg, if any of the powder is in a container that holds more than 1 kg.
Other dwellings — black powder

(2) The maximum quantity of black powder that may be stored at any one time in a dwelling that is located in a building containing other dwellings is

(a) 1 kg, if the black powder is in containers; or

(b) 3 kg less any quantity that is in containers, if the black powder is in small arms cartridges or black powder cartouches.

Discussion is here http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726008
 
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I am always curious on what has changed that would bring about new regulations? Are there documented cases of accidents or are we playing into this 'fight against terrorism'? paranoia? If this is the case, then we as a country has already lost the war on terrorism when we start treating all of our people as potential terrorists....
 
Says that any small arms ammo over .50 cal is SOL. The folks with the larger African calibers, the folks with Martini's , or Snider types, are gonna be even harder to get ammo for, from the looks of it. That from the Retailer restrictions.

Looks like it is going to be a PITA for retailers of powder and primers to store enough to meet their stocking needs too, unless I missed something.

And the retailers will need to check ID and keep records for all powder and primer purchases. Fun.

About the only good thing is that the wording is pretty clear and readable.

Cheers
Trev
 
victor16 said:
I am always curious on what has changed that would bring about new regulations? Are there documented cases of accidents or are we playing into this 'fight against terrorism'? paranoia? If this is the case, then we as a country has already lost the war on terrorism when we start treating all of our people as potential terrorists....
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What has changed is that the LGR is coming to an end soon.
So they (the bureaucrats) are getting to us through "ammo".
Read the whole thing and see how it limits not only us the users
but see the limits imposed on retailers of cartridges.

It's not ONLY BP, it also affects smokeless powder in cartridges or loose for reloading.
 
Scrolling through all that endless jiberish is insane and mind boggling.
It has little to do with the average reloader or black powder enthusiast... I guess we'll pay a few bucks more for ammo and reloading supplies.:rolleyes:
 
The insanity never ends.... this is completely unacceptable, our orgs and the CPC need to UN-f**k this situation right now, but apparently according to them everything is just peachy.f:P:

Mean while those anti gun nutbars are grinning from ear to ear. 1 step forward, 5 back.
 
Well, i for one am an avid reloader of both black and smokeless cartridges, as well a black powder muzzleloading enthusiast, i agree with storing powder in safe locations, but as for what you are allowed to buy in quanity??? what will they think of next? i see no fairness to the shooter/reloader, or the business people, shooting clubs will notice declines in memberships perhaps, i usually buy at the local shops or at shows atleast 3 or 4 lbs of black powder, and 3 or 4 lbs of smokeless powders i use in my own hunting rifles, some of these regulations listed earlier on in this thread , are very "home specific" which i dont see the point in, whether you live in an apartment, or a minihome, or a mansion on the hill, what difference does it make whether i have 25kg of powder in each of these dwellings? if anyone should be concerned about explosives in your home, it would be your house insurer! whether its 25kg in my house, or yours, or our buddies place, its still 25kg of powder, if stored correctly and used for the proper reasons, it will never harm anyone
 
This deserves a bump with some links posted;

CGN Thread: Explosives Act Changes are Announced in Canada Gazette March 17,2012

CGN News Thread: Gun owners decry 'monstrous' changes to ammunition rules

Write letters, be polite and to the point, but write those letters folks. We enjoy this hobby due to the fact that it is less onerous as blackpowder and antique shooters. Now you will need a valid PAL for blackpowder, not to mention the ridiculous storage laws.

Torchie74 said:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/owners+decry+monstrous+changes+ammunition+rules/6405308/story.html

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Owners of antique firearms — such as those who re-enact historic battles — also will see their hobby hobbled by the proposed rules. Antique, muzzleloading black powder guns are considered "non-firearms" under Canada's firearms classification system, meaning their owners are exempt from the onerous registration and licensing requirements to which users of more modern guns must adhere.

But under the proposed regulations, owners of such guns would be unable to legally purchase black powder unless they have a firearms licence.

"Antiques don't need a license, and that's why people enjoy it," said Burlew. "When these regulations come into effect, they won't be able to buy gun powder to shoot their antiques unless they get a (Possession and Acquisition Licence)."

Arpin said firearms groups, including the National Firearms Association and various hunting and fishing groups, were consulted before the draft regulations were written.

jdavis@postmedia.com

Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/owners+d...nition+rules/6405308/story.html#ixzz1r14rR782
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Who do you contact you ask? Well;

fhg1893 said:
We need to contact
Minister Joe Oliver - (613) 996-2007 - Minister.Ministre@NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca
Deputy Minister Serge Dupont - (613) 992-3280 - Serge.Dupont@NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca
Associate Deputy Minister Karren Ellis - (613) 996-9753 - Karen.Ellis@NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca

AND
Christopher G. Watson - (613) 948-5170 - canmet-edr@nrcan.gc.ca


BE RESPECTFUL and BE REASONABLE

If we approach this calmly, rationally and respectfully, pointing out our concerns like civilized human beings, I would say that there's a good chance that what we don't like will be changed.
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and;

yoden said:
Dr. Christopher Watson
Director and Chief Inspector of Explosives
Explosives Safety and Security Branch
Department of National Resources
1431 Merivale Road
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0G1
Telephone: 613-948-5170
Fax: 613-948-5195
Email: Christopher.Watson@NRCan.gc.ca
canmet-erd@nrcan.gc.ca

or

Minister of Natural Resources
Joe Oliver MP
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A6
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Physical letters on paper always have more "weight" than emails, but an email is better than nothing.
 
There is no need to have any explosive act regulation on modern safety ammunition or any reloading components at all.
There is need for storage GUIDLINES for black powder - but not regulations with criminal penalties.

The criminal negligence laws take care of any accidents (so far there have been none) arising or as a result of carelessly stored reloading components.
Gasoline, hairspray, and propane is far more dangerous and far less regulated.
 
What about the historical reenacting community?

Many folks of all ages have crates of paper cartridges, we march around up and down residential streets making fire and smoke, I myself marched along the streets of Thornhill last summer with my section firing round after round to the applause of men,woman and children.

So when I'm at a event as we hand out cartridges to our section do we have to check PAL ##'s ?.....what about laws that criminalize firing outside of a approved range within city limits.

The lefty loonies are just INSANE with the need to enforce-enforce-enforce.

The thought of their fellow citizens free without objectionable easily manipulated "laws" to threaten freedom and property seems to madden them.


JOIN A HISTORICAL REENACTMENT GROUP TODAY AND PRESERVE YOUR FREEDOM

"This is only a amendment away from being a high caliber military weapon"
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