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rimfire78

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Hi,

I'm a Canadian citizen with permanent resident status in the US. I've been living down here for several years now and have become quite a fan of the second amendment :D Unfortunately, I live in California which is notoriously anti-gun compared to most states, but still, I am very pleased to be sharing in the freedoms it affords me.
I owned pellet guns and 22's as a kid, and shot my Dad's old Enfield back in the 70's, but I never really embraced the sport until I moved south.
I guess I'm here mostly, because I'm curious about Canadian firearms laws.

Thanks for having me.
 
Welcome.
The gun laws are not as draconian as some would have you believe. Some US states have far tougher gun laws than Canada. Getting rid of restricted status on "assault weapons" would be nice. The biggest real problem is the long gun registry and all it entails. The prohibited situation is also a sore point with a lot of people. But other than that we are having a blast with the guns we got. Once again welcome to the site and make us all jealous with your tales of American gun freedom.
 
formerfarmer said:
Welcome.
The gun laws are not as draconian as some would have you believe. Some US states have far tougher gun laws than Canada. Getting rid of restricted status on "assault weapons" would be nice. The biggest real problem is the long gun registry and all it entails. The prohibited situation is also a sore point with a lot of people. But other than that we are having a blast with the guns we got. Once again welcome to the site and make us all jealous with your tales of American gun freedom.
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Thank you all! - I've been looking around in some of the threads, and I'm seeing a lot of "pimped out" black rifles and very nice pistols. - Doesn't look like I've got much of an advantage, except for the restricted status as you say. Is there a limit on capacity? It's 10 rounds in here in California.
 
Welcome.

We are limited to 5 rounds in a semi auto centerfire rifle mag and 10 rounds in a pistol mag. However, the law doesn't state that pistol mags have to be used only in pistols, or rifle mags can only be used in rifles. What this means is that if you have a "pistol" mag that will fit in a rifle, such as 10 round mags for the LAR-15 pistol, you can legally use them in a rifle that takes AR-15 mags. Another example is Beretta 92 mags in a CX4 storm, though if you have a mag labelled "CX4", it has to be blocked to 5 rounds. :jerkit:

On top of that, there are no limits on mags for bolt action, lever action, or pump action rifles, as well as rimfire rifle mags. But here's the kicker: while rimfire rifle mags can have unlimited capacity, rimfire pistol mags can hold no more than 10.:rolleyes:

See what happens when laws are written by idiots?
 
fnrob said:
Welcome.

We are limited to 5 rounds in a semi auto centerfire rifle mag and 10 rounds in a pistol mag. However, the law doesn't state that pistol mags have to be used only in pistols, or rifle mags can only be used in rifles. What this means is that if you have a "pistol" mag that will fit in a rifle, such as 10 round mags for the LAR-15 pistol, you can legally use them in a rifle that takes AR-15 mags. Another example is Beretta 92 mags in a CX4 storm, though if you have a mag labelled "CX4", it has to be blocked to 5 rounds. :jerkit:

On top of that, there are no limits on mags for bolt action, lever action, or pump action rifles, as well as rimfire rifle mags. But here's the kicker: while rimfire rifle mags can have unlimited capacity, rimfire pistol mags can hold no more than 10.:rolleyes:

See what happens when laws are written by idiots?
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Thanks for the info. Yeah well, the laws here are just as schizophrenic. But there is a 10 round limit on any firearm, magazine, and/or caliber. I'm jealous!
So what are the rules where AR/AK pistols are concerned?
 
Well, AK's are prohibited, but AR's are considered restricted. Basically, they fall under the same rules as pistols, so an AR pistol is under the same rules as an AR rifle. They are relegated to range use only, and you must have the registration certificate as well as an ATT (Authorization to Transport), basically a permission slip from the government, to take them anywhere outside your house - whether that be the range or a gunsmith. It is even illegal to take them into your back yard, since they refuse to issue ATT's for your own property.

Regarding transport, they must be trigger locked in a locked case, and you must use the most reasonably direct route possible to your destination, meaning you would be violating the terms of the ATT if you stop at a friend's house, or for a coffee.


As for storage, the rules are (from the RCMP's website):
Restricted and prohibited firearms

  • Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
  • Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
  • For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
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fnrob said:
Well, AK's are prohibited, but AR's are considered restricted. Basically, they fall under the same rules as pistols, so an AR pistol is under the same rules as an AR rifle. They are relegated to range use only, and you must have the registration certificate as well as an ATT (Authorization to Transport), basically a permission slip from the government, to take them anywhere outside your house - whether that be the range or a gunsmith. It is even illegal to take them into your back yard, since they refuse to issue ATT's for your own property.

Regarding transport, they must be trigger locked in a locked case, and you must use the most reasonably direct route possible to your destination, meaning you would be violating the terms of the ATT if you stop at a friend's house, or for a coffee.


As for storage, the rules are (from the RCMP's website):
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Pretty restrictive where transporting is concerned. Damned shame!
Isn't that CZ 858 an AK platform rifle? What about Saiga's, can you own those? What about Kel-tec rifles? They now make pistol grip/collapsible stock sets for those too? Thanks, and sorry for all the questions ;)
 
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Nope, the CZ-858 is most definitely not an AK. She runs on a completely different action than an AK, so therefore it's not an AK variant. However, the Saiga is not legal, despite the fact that the guts are not interchangable with a real AK.

As a footnote, it should be mentioned that we can own the Valmet Hunter and the Valmet M-78 rifles, which are AK variants, as an exemption has been granted for them. No one knows for sure why they have been granted an exemption, though rumors persist that the government bought a bunch in the 80's for natives in northern communities, for northern defense. They are rare, though, and tend to command a huge pricetag for one.
 
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