Help !! 8mm Ammo

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I whent to the range today with a couple of old WW2 rifles and i have a little surprise with some milsurp ammo. I shot about 50 rounds of 8mm Mauser rounds, mixed headstamp dated from the 50's and 60's and i notice these 3 rounds.

It's seems like they have craked or cut ( like a blowtorch cut from the inside).

I wonder if these old rounds are safe too shoot for me and for the rifle ???

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same thing happened to me. i pulled the bullet and powder. i used new cases with new primer and used the same powder and same bullet and i was getting pretty tight groups at 100 yrds
 
The elasticity dies in the brass after the first million miles. This ammo(in some cases) has been around the world more than I have. It was supposed to be consumed and ended up going from country to country until you have it. I've done what Deagle did and changed the components in doubt and gone on.
 
I wouldn't shoot them in any of my rifles, the gas seal you want would no longer be there and it simply wouldn't be a safe situation.

Nice to put in a display cabinet with all your goodies though.
 
The WW2 German "Steel" Case 8mm Ammo will do the same thing too. It corrodes from the inside and weakens the walls of the case if it got wet or saw moisture.
 
Looks to me like that 1940s and 1950s Czech stuff.

Brass hardens in storage. If it is hard to begin with, it hardens even more. If it is low-copper, it hardens even faster. Low-copper brass is hard when it's made and gets super-hard and splits when fired after 60 years in storage. The Czechs were making ammo very fast about that time and a lot of it was getting shot off when it was new. Now it's 65 years old: ready for the Pension.

If it were my ammo, I would put it away and handload.

Come to think of it, that's exactly what I do with just about any old ammo.

Accuracy with fresh handloads is MILES better than you will get with any 65-year-old stuff, especially stuff that was made for a price, for immediate use, and has been kicking around since your Dad was a pup. Bonus: 8mm is an easy roud to reload and good brass is about $60 a hundred and will last at least 10 shots a casing..... and more if you are careful and take care of the stuff.
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If the bullets were cupro-nickel (silver colored), the brass will become weakened over time. I had some 1940's era Dominion Arms .303 that did exactly the same thing.
 
I don't know about that.
I'm using 20 45-70 baloon head case's for my Trail Boss loading's.
Been reloaded a good 20 time's now.
That's full size sizing and case mouth expanding and the crimp.
 
That is not case head separation and while less than ideal, is probably not an immediate shooter safety concern.

Please don;t mistake this for advice, but if I owned that ammo and was shooting it in a solid K98, I'd wear shooting goggles (as always) and burn off the rest of it. YMMV.

This is a pretty common failure with steel cased 54R and noboy seems overly concerned about it.
 
Thanks a lot guy's for all the advise and tips. :)

I am glad to know that these rounds are just good for the trash can. At least, i will not risk any injury or worst damaging my k98...lol

The sad thing is , i baught over a 1000 of these rounds, for over 500$ worth.
I guess it's a part of the learning curve for a new gunnuts like me:(
 
Yeah, I've had that happen a few times in my SVT. Never noticed until I picked up the casing. But if you're rifle is in good collectible shape, and a K98 or something, I personally wouldn't use it.
 
If the bullets were cupro-nickel (silver colored), the brass will become weakened over time. I had some 1940's era Dominion Arms .303 that did exactly the same thing.

I had an older Dominion case get in with my winchester cases in the polisher...38-55. Pretty low CUP rounds too.
It was stretched enough from one firing that it was beyond what I'd consider reloadable.
Why and how...not sure.
What I am sure is I'll not be using old rounds any time soon again
 
So you got a thousand of the critters.

So what?

Pulling it down and handloading the charges into fresh brass, it gives you enough powder to load 1,000 rounds of MilSpec shooting ammo. That would cost about $200 to buy at a sporting-goods shop.

And it gives you 1,000 good bullets. Cheapest 8mm slugs available right now (that I know of) are 32 bucks a hundred, so you have 300 bucks' worth of good bullets.

You haven't lost any $$$ and so the order is simple: Thou Shalt Not Kick Thine Own Fundament Without Good Reason.

Just get some fresh brass and primers and change the loads over to the new cases. Much safer, problem gone.

What you have are classic "shoot-throughs". Generally they show up first at the neck or the shoulder. Some of yours are far enough back that they could get nasty, so my advice is just to use better brass, switch your loads over...... and have fun.

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BTW, who the heck is DOMINION ARMS? Never heard of them. If you mean Canadian .303 ammo with a DA headstamp, that is DOMINION ARSENALS, the Government ammo plant of the time. They made all that 'orrible .303 ammo with the big copper Berdan primers which were corrosive AND mercuric: wreck your rifle and your brass at the same time. They are loaded with Cordite MDT 5-2, which burns considerably hotter than most modern propellants, although much cooler than Cordite Mark I. DI ammo is Defence Industries, a WW2 Crown Corporation staffed with huge numbers of people, but the key staff were from the Dominion Cartridge Company. They made beautiful .303 ammo from 1941 through 1945 with noncorrosive, nonmercuric Boxer primers which likely will stand forever as the best .303 military ammo ever turned out. It is also FINE reloading brass. It is a bit long in the tooth now, but small miracles may be worked with a sinkful of cold water and a propane torch. My couple of dozen .303s all love the stuff.
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«You haven't lost any $$$ and so the order is simple: Thou Shalt Not Kick Thine Own Fundament Without Good Reason.»

I am not sure wath thats mean ( i am French) but i want to say that i am not angry at anybody for the ammo and i take much care at not bashing anybody. I just ask questions, to CGN member who have more experience than me and hope to recive some suggestion to help me solve this problem.
(wich they did):)

The realoding thing with the old bullet and powder like deagle 2008 and other suggest seems a very fine idea.

I never reload before,someone have a suggestion for a starter kit. I take a look at Reloaders.ca and there is too much stuff to make an idea.:HR:
 
No, friend, nothing nasty. Translation is simple: don't beat yourself up without a ood reason. You didn't waste your money; you will get it back...... with better ammo....... just by putting fresh primers into fresh casings. Then you switch over the powder and bullets from the stuff you have. Your completed ammo will be absolutely sure-fire and it will be MUCH more accurate. This is because the PRIMERS they were using back then get lazy and erratic when they get old. Wih modern primers (which do not seem to age at all) you will get much more consistent ignition. With fresh casings, the splitting problem is gone. So now you have safe, accurate ammo for 50 cents a shot. MUCH better than underpowered American 8mm ammo at $1.50 a shot.

A few years ago there was some Turkish stuff available that was just garbage. I managed to get a hundred rounds and did exactly the switch-over I am urging upon you. Just by switching to fresh brass and modern primers, I started getting 1 MOA from 1942 Turkish stuff that didn't even want to fire and was producing 8-inch groups..... or bigger.

Your ammo was Good Stuff when it was made. It's just that the brass has hardened and the primers will be getting a bit dodgy. So you cure those problems and you have 1000 rounds of darned good ammo. There was nothing wrong with the bullets or the powder.... and they do not age generally.

Have fun and enjoy a really nice rifle with really good ammo. Pat yourself on the back when you pull the trigger because THAT shot cost you a dollar less than buying fresh ammo which is not as powerful and likely no more accurate.

Hope this helps.
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The sad thing is , i baught over a 1000 of these rounds, for over 500$ worth.
I guess it's a part of the learning curve for a new gunnuts like me:(


I've been there too. Picked up almost two cases of surplus rounds, one shot good, the other did not. Pulled them apart for reloads, and sold off the rest of powder and bullets to almost make my money back.
 
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