Help, a buddy wants to make HOT loads for his M213 (Safe??)

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A friend of mine (we both bought Norinco M213's) says that because these little 9mm's are built so solidly, that he can load his ammo very hot, and the gun can and should be able to take it with no blow-ups. I am very hesitant to agree with him. I know the basic gun is quite strong due to an all steel construction, but I want some opinions regarding how hot a load these guns can safely take before they blow a gasket.
He pretty much listens to anyone but me as he has been shooting much longer than me, and reloading at least 10 years longer than me. I just don't want him to blow himself up, as its nice to be able to go to the range and still kick his a$$ in shooting even though he has far more experience than me.
Any advice would be appreciated. My vote is to stay at or below max load levels at ALL TIMES, no matter what gun you use. Because the brass is still only as strong as the maker makes it. Pressures spiking make the hair on my neck stand up on end.
 
I don't understand the fascination with extra hot handloads. Really, what's the gain? A few percent more FPS (for whatever that actually achieves), in exchange for the risk of personal injury or death? Really, you're only gaining 'bragging' points, and dubious ones at that. No real gain, for very real risk
 
I agree, but if the gun can't take it, and the experts here agree its foolhardy, I want other opinions to share with him. I'll leave him alone if its acceptable for this tank of a little gun, I just wan't to know is it semi-safe due to the strength of the pistol, then I won't worry so much. I, for one, will not use his reloads, but, in the spirit of gun brotherhood, I still want to watch his back. One handed shooting is supposed to mean using one hand to shoot, not having one hand to shoot with.
 
IMHO it would be best to stay at or near the max. I'm sure it would be fun to push it a bit, but at what cost?? If he turns up the juice to much the spring won't handle it and batter the gun.

I know Longshot powder is supposed to deliver good velocity with slightly lower pressure all things considered.....maybe he could start there.(staying within reason)
 
Sounds good to me. I'm sure he will say "Well, its only a 99 dollar gun...... who cares if it wears out." but I'm gonna try to keep him at max or near max. Although his wife is Smokin hot, she'd sure be a hot widow.............
 
Actually, I may have misspoke before. Doing some more research on this gun (because I just bought one :)), it's designed for the 7.62x25tt, which in turn is loaded to 10,000 lbs more than the 9x19. So the gun should be able to take some extra pressure; though that's not the only consideration. Pressure aside, the 9x19 is lobbing a bigger, heavier bullet which means more momentum. Which means a more vigorous action, and more wear and tear on the gun
 
sgt.rock said:
Sounds good to me. I'm sure he will say "Well, its only a 99 dollar gun...... who cares if it wears out." but I'm gonna try to keep him at max or near max. Although his wife is Smokin hot, she'd sure be a hot widow.............
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:eek: Well, in that case, I see no problems
 
sgt.rock said:
Sounds good to me. I'm sure he will say "Well, its only a 99 dollar gun...... who cares if it wears out." but I'm gonna try to keep him at max or near max. Although his wife is Smokin hot, she'd sure be a hot widow.............
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I never would have looked at it that way:cool:

I'm not interested in making my hot bride a widow:adult:
 
So does this guy just want to make hot ammo? Usually the reason we work up a load is to find what the gun likes and to get as much accuracy from the bullets we are using. Going as HOT as we can is not the way reloading works. The other thing is that a real hot load may not have immediate effects but the damage may be cumulative and all come down in one big CF. Let me know where he shoots and I will shoot at another range:)
 
agreed the only reason to go even slightly over max is if your working up a ladder method load and notice your close to it being the loads you need. " aka .. the groups are tightening near max load" otherwise i dont see the point, Then i would start my loads much lower and work up to find the next best loads.
 
Sounds like your buddy is a nominee for the Darwin Awards. I would make him shoot the first few loads and make sure to stand BEHIND him:)
 
Sure the gun can probably take it. Where the hell is the fun in in extracting your brass with a rod and getting two loads before throwing out a case ?

Does he want to be like P.O Ackley and see how far he can go before the gun gives up, measure headspace / setback after numerous hot loads. Maybe he can take detailed notes and post them here ?

I dont know what he considers hot loads, If he want to take it to the limit that the firearm can take then i suggest he ties it to a tire and pulls the trigger with a long string.

Sounds like he's made up his mind.
 
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