HELP! blueing issue

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im trying to blue the frame on my old commercial colt 1911 that has been rubbed down from 120-800 grit thoroughly, but the cold blueing stuff isn't sticking in most spots, some spots excellently, others aren't doing a thing. there rusting now. 10 minutes later. what do i do! this is all at room temperature.
 
Degrease it first. Mind you, if rust is forming in 10 minutes something else is terribly wrong.
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Do it like this:

Neutralize whatever cold blue you are using right now by washing the piece off with hot water and detergent. *Note* Cold blue is toxic. Dispose of waste water accordingly and do not use containers for anything else. Rinse it well to get rid of any detergent residue.

Restore the finish to what you want.

Thoroughly clean the piece with acetone.

Put on your gloves. I use Ansell TNT nitrile gloves, but any non-powdered, non-reactive glove that will keep your fingerprints off the metal will do. You will NOT now touch the piece with anything that may carry oils or contaminants until you are finished.

Thoroughly clean the piece with alcohol. Rubbing alcohol or methyl alcohol (gasline antifreeze) will do. Lay the piece on a clean rag to dry.

When dry, you may begin bluing. Instructions will differ depending on which blue you are using, but in general, shake the contents of the bottle well, and apply to the metal using a saturated patch. Cover the entire surface you are bluing quickly and as evenly as possible. It's kind of like paint. If you let one area dry and then paint up to it, it will leave streaks. If you overpaint a previously coated area, it will leave streaks.

Let the blue do it's work for a bit. After the first coat is dry, I usually overapply a second, or even third and fourth coat, until I have a thick application built up. This will generally look like ####. Depending on the type of blue you are using it should now look like a creamy rust is all over the surface.

When that is dry, but not too dry, rub off the excess oxide with fine steel wool. An even tone of blue should be revealed. Repeat the coating and rubbing with steel wool until you have the desired depth of color. This may take many applications (40 on one knife that I blacked the blade on).

When the desired finish is achieved, again neutralize the blue by washing in hot water and soap.

Again clean the piece with alcohol.

Oil the hell out of it.

And you are done.
 
Stop...

If you really care about this piece bring it to a reputable gunsmith and have then hot-blue it.

It's going to look like crap otherwise.

The "Cold" blue is only good for small bits and pieces... take it from a guy who has gone through all the trial and error for you in the past ;)
 
I would agree with "SPI".
I have completly restored a Winchester 94 that was covered in surface rust, and did my own cold blueing job, much as he explained, and it looks like new now.
It took many hours during the Winter, but was in no hurry.
The end result was worth it to me.
You must have patients, as a rushed job will look like crapp, and all your effort was for nothing.
The reward of doing your own fine job is priceless.
If all this fails for you, then take it to a gunsmith and have it done by him, but that has a price.
 
im on my 5th coat now, and it looks pretty good.. havent polished or anything like that, its lookin alright, just tough matching it to the slide.. i had to buff it with a die grinder right down past a pinkish layer, even in the corners was tough, but its all sticking now, if it really isn't good quality i can always buff it out and get it done differently, but im doing it for curiousity sake mainly now. thanks for the help guys
 
Please, guys, all this talk of sanding, dremeling, ad nauseam, on a nice 1911 to get an old finish off is making me ill! To get off the old bluing as well as traces of rust etc, use a blue and rust remover. If you can't find any, use CLR. Degrease well, submerge for MINUTES, not hours, then steel wool lightly to get rid of any film (I use a glass beader for that). If there are pits and dents to get rid of, then draw-file and polish, but no power - do it by hand, with progressively finer emery backed by something hard.

I see too many ruined guns from this sort of stuff.

AND, a cold blue job is never even close to a good professional job :)

Gunnar
 
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