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NEW to pistol shooting bought a beretta 9o-two 9mm
I've shot about 500 rounds and my typical groupings are as follows.
first shot way low and left always my worst shot, the following shots , decent group low left , im still shooting mostly at 10 yards

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Dry Fire Dry Fire Dry Fire!!!!!!! Get a small red circle of paper and tape ot to a while about 10 - 15 feet away and go nutz aiming at it and pulling the trigger. You need to squeeze the trigger not pull it. You also need to be using the tip or pad of your finger not the joint. You should watch the front site and see how it moves as you are squeezing the trigger. You want to concentrate more on the front site and keeping it on the target and not pay attention to the trigger breaking. Slow things way down and only speed up the trigger pull as you progress.

This will also help!
http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/images/Pistol-Correction.pdf

Good Luck
Markl
 
mlehtovaara said:
Dry Fire Dry Fire Dry Fire!!!!!!! Get a small red circle of paper and tape ot to a while about 10 - 15 feet away and go nutz aiming at it and pulling the trigger. You need to squeeze the trigger not pull it. You also need to be using the tip or pad of your finger not the joint. You should watch the front site and see how it moves as you are squeezing the trigger. You want to concentrate more on the front site and keeping it on the target and not pay attention to the trigger breaking. Slow things way down and only speed up the trigger pull as you progress.

This will also help!
http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/images/Pistol-Correction.pdf

Good Luck
Markl
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somewhere i read an interesting technique about that:

pretend that as your finger is pulling on the trigger, it's actually pulling on the front sight and your goal is to cleanly "thread" the front sight post through the notch of the rear sight.

i tried that just recently on a S&W 686 revolver, and it's a good way of practicing (the "thread post through notch" focus)
 
your a right handed shooter - and shooting low and to the left is your curse...

The low is probably due to shot anticipation, and the left is more than likely gripping too much with your right hand, or curling your finger around the trigger. Finger placement on the trigger should be somewhere between the digital tip, and the first distal joint (good starting place), and there should be a little bit of space between your trigger finger and the pistol.

The only thing that moves on your dominant hand should be your trigger finger...and that moves the trigger directly to the rear in a linear fashion... don't influence any left or right movement - it'll show on your target..

Give this a try next time your out shooting - stage the trigger...

Get your sights on target - focus on the front sight (target and rear sight will be slightly blurred). "Press" the trigger a little bit to the rear, and stop... Realign the sights on target, and "Press" a little more, and stop... realign sights on target - repeat till gun goes boom and surprises you... the bullet will be wherever you were aiming... essentially you will be applying a steady increase in pressure on the trigger until the gun fires...

You can also pick up a few 9mm inert rounds and put them in random order in the magazine... see what happens to the pistols geometry when you pull the trigger on a "click" instead of a "boom"...
 
Stormtroper is right.

You're holding on too tight with your right hand and when you squeeze the trigger the gun is pivoting to the left. Dry fire in slow motion and you'll see it happening. Adjust your grip and trigger finger. Dry fire for practice.

You're shooting low cuz you're anticipating the recoil. Just get used to the bang and the recoil and you'll do a lot better.

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Watch the video and pay very careful attention to how he grips the pistol. Freeze frame on the grip and memorize it. It'll help a huge amount.
 
BP7 said:
somewhere i read an interesting technique about that:

pretend that as your finger is pulling on the trigger, it's actually pulling on the front sight and your goal is to cleanly "thread" the front sight post through the notch of the rear sight.

i tried that just recently on a S&W 686 revolver, and it's a good way of practicing (the "thread post through notch" focus)
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This is the best advice I've seen yet, it really works, at least for a noob to pistol shooting like me. I have recently participated in a Black Budge course and using this idea helped me tremendously. My whole attention was focused on the front sight, as I was pulling the trigger all I was thinking about was pulling the front sight through the notch of the rear sight and all the shots came as a surprise and right on target. There was no jerking of the trigger and no thought "I have the target in my sight pull the trigger now" which usually end up in a miss.

I think that this technique helps your mind to fully focus on the front sight and keep it there as you are squeezing the trigger, and it also helps in keeping your gun steady and on target. For all you experts out there this might be basic info but for noobs it's a very good way to practice and it really works. Try it and you will see.

Thank you BP7 ! :)
 
From the look of your target it appears that a number of things are happening. The 6:00 hits are indicative of what happens when the trigger is pulled right through without taking up the slack before it breaks. I am also willing to bet you watching your bullet impacts, and attempting to make sight adjustments from them. That's akin to chasing your zero in rifle shooting, and like chasing your zero will result in strung out groups. Generally speaking though, a group that runs out from center at 8:00 is the result of squeezing the base of the grip frame with the bottom two fingers. This is why we are incorrect when we say squeeze the trigger, as one squeezes with his entire hand, what we mean to say is that the trigger is pressed with only the trigger finger, the movement being straight back.

Dry firing will reveal problems you cannot see when live firing. When the hammer falls, what the front sight covers is what you will hit. But knowing where you bullet is hitting isn't much help unless you know how to correct it, and that is why it is important to have a really good shooting coach.
 
No good instructor will try and teach you or give you advice over the internet.

You need to have someone(that knows what they're doing) watch you shoot. That's the only real way to diagnose problems.
 
Good shooting is combination of:
1. Stance
2. Grip
A. learning that is so important, you need to know, what you will do with pistol,
like pull and push or go 60% left hand and 40% right
3. Trigger finger placement
4. Pulling actual trigger,
5. Your eye to sights coordination

Now, when you start applying all this, do not over-hold the pistol, have pistol stretch for not longer 2 sek and squeeze it
 
Try using the pad of your finger to pull the trigger AND as you slowly squeeze the trigger, make sure you pull in to the CENTER of the web of your hand (vs kinda to the left, if you're right handed). That helped to correct my low and left problem in an instance! :)
 
wicked_police said:
No good instructor will try and teach you or give you advice over the internet.

You need to have someone(that knows what they're doing) watch you shoot. That's the only real way to diagnose problems.
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beggars can't be choosers,...I think he is just asking for advice on a gun forum.:p
 
Could be a lot of things causing this. A diagram of a target average hole positions doesn't tell me enough. I'd have to see what you are actually doing.

Post a video maybe. Frame for upper body mass and a good angle on the gun from the weak hand side.
 
maurice said:
beggars can't be choosers,...I think he is just asking for advice on a gun forum.:p
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Yeah, I know....

But with all the potential problems, it's almost impossible to give advice without seeing him shoot.

If he would record himself shooting, then post it up, there are a lot of good knowledgable people that could offer up valuable advice.
**relliot beat me to it :p**

Self diagnosis rarely works, people usually have an unrealistic perception of their abilities. This then can lead to equipment modification or changes while they chase a hardware problem that doesn't exist.
Not saying that's the case here at all, because the OP is searching for answers by asking.


Maybe unrealistic self perception is why a certain person on cgn refuses to attend IDPA or IPSC matches..... It's much easier to spout off about your supposed superior skills and knowledge behind the safety of a keyboard than to go out and prove it in front of your peers. :nest:
 
wicked_police said:
Maybe unrealistic self perception is why a certain person on cgn refuses to attend IDPA or IPSC matches..... It's much easier to spout off about your supposed superior skills and knowledge behind the safety of a keyboard than to go out and prove it in front of your peers. :nest:
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IBTL

:nest:
 
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