Help identifing these 2 old bayonetts and faur value

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Well I was doing some spring cleaning and found these two old bayonets and a machete , can anyone of my fellow CGNers help me identify them and whats a fair value
as I don't collect bayonets or machetes , I don't even remember when I got them , that bin has not been opened for a very long time ...

Many thanks for any info I receive .

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The top is an Argentine '91 Mauser bayonet, with what looks like the usual ground crest, though not too badly. http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Argentina/Argentina2.html

Second one is a P1907 for a No 1 Mk III* Enfield. OA is Orange Arsenal, Australia, meaning it is WW2 production. The X indicates it was sold out of service as surplus. It's missing the scabbard (says I, Captian Obvious.) I believe WW2 blades should be blued for their full length, so it's been polished I think; no doubt an experienced Enfield collector will be along shortly.

I'd say $50 ish for the P1907, $150 - 175 for the Argie Mauser.
 
so the first one was a < Sword bayonet for use on the 7.65 mm. Argentine M1891 Mauser rifle. The aluminum grip scales were part of an effort to lighten the bayonet. The grip metal is an alloy of aluminum, with 6 percent copper.
Argentina opted for the 15.75 inch blade, after seeing that Chile was going to adopt a shorter (10-inch blade) bayonet for their Mausers. Production switched to aluminum grip, mid-1893, after producing 40,000 brass grip bayonets. 190,000 aluminum grip bayonets were made, 1893–1898. ,,,,,,,,,> . http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Ide...rgentina2.html

That's very interesting , thank you !!!
 
Hightrailtracker said:
Argentina opted for the 15.75 inch blade, after seeing that Chile was going to adopt a shorter (10-inch blade) bayonet for their Mausers.[/url]
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Ha!

To paraphrase a great military leader; "I see your schwartz is bigger than mine."

Little did the Argies know, the Chileans had bred a special caste of warriors with arms 6" longer, thus the 10" bayonet was more than sufficient.
 
Correct identification of the 1891 Argentine
On the P1907 the X indicate it passed the bend test. The sold out of service mark is two opposing broadarrows so it looks more like an asterisk (*) than an X. Production date appears to be '9 '42 although it's hard to read the month from the picture. The blade was only blued for about an inch past the crossguard, the rest of the blade was left bright.
 
Cottage Hill Bill said:
Correct identification of the 1891 Argentine
On the P1907 the X indicate it passed the bend test. The sold out of service mark is two opposing broadarrows so it looks more like an asterisk (*) than an X. Production date appears to be '9 '42 although it's hard to read the month from the picture. The blade was only blued for about an inch past the crossguard, the rest of the blade was left bright.
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Ahhhh, of course, thank you. I did know the opposing broad arrow mark, I was all confused about the X stamp and had forgotten it's meaning. Thanks for the correction.

I couldn't read the dates on the original pic, too dark on my monitor, but lightening them reveals 9 '42 for sure... As does the pic just posted above while I was busy on photoshop :d

I do still believe though that the Aussie WW2 and refurbed WW1 1907 bayos were blued / blackened for their full length; it's WW1 and Brit made ones that are
bright.

Added - as shown here: http://antiqueoutings.com/lithgow-1907-bayonet/
 
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Yes, the Australians and others as well, noted that during WW1 that the shiny fixed bayonets gave the enemy a forewarning of an over the top of the trenches charge and readied themselves with their machine guns for it to the benefit of them! so they changed the policy of leaving the blades in the white to dulled blued blades, the old SOP of shiny blades was for the day when massed troops in formation advanced against the enemy with fixed shiny bayonets as a form of psychological warfare!
 
So It's a refurbed WW1 1907 bayo redone in 1942 for the Australian army , wow lots of history there ,,, what does that do for it's value ??

I don't collect them so I will put them on the EE once I get an idea what is Fair value as I know nothing about Bayo's and their fair value .

Tanks to everyone so far with their great insight into these two Boyo's .

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Hightrailtracker said:
So It's a refurbed WW1 1907 bayo redone in 1942 for the Australian army , wow lots of history there ,,, what does that do for it's value ??

I don't collect them so I will put them on the EE once I get an idea what is Fair value as I know nothing about Bayo's and their fair value .

Tanks to everyone so far with their great insight into these two Boyo's .

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No, it's a Sep '42 made bayo; the 1907 refers to the pattern of the item, not the manufacture date. OA only made bayos in WW2, so it couldn't possibly be made by them and date from WW1. Unfortunately this example has had all of it's blade finish removed, is missing the scabbard, and it looks like the grips are in rough shape and varnished over. An excellent example with near perfect finish and excellent overall condition would be about $200 - $250; accordingly, I'd say $50 is reasonable for this one. It's really not got much historical value given the condition and missing scabbard. Basically it's worth what any knife like it would be worth.

The 1891 is in much better shape. If the bayo and scabbard serials match, like I said I think you could expect $150 - $175.

I'd list the 1907 at $75 and the 1891 at $200 and see what bites you get - but that's just one guy's opinion and I'm no expert on bayonet pricing by any means.
 
I've picked up two Aussie bayonets this year each at $150, 8 or 9 out of 10 the bluing dept. Nice grips, arsenal ground edge, with scabbard. I thought $150 was a good deal, very fair considering the Aussie 1907's seem to fetch a bit more or at least are always listed higher for a reg Enfield bayonet.
 
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