Help IDing an enfield

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someone local to me is offering this for sale. Ive been doing my research while waiting on my PAL approval (which came in this morning), so now its time to make a decision. While ive started to get a grasp on the different generations and manufacturers, etc of the enfields, this is one that hasnt come up in my research.

I saw a snider-enfield ad in the antique forum, and thought it looked similiar... but not quite matching so im scratching my head trying to figure it out.

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Cody
 
Nabs pointed you in the right direction. There are even centre fire conversion kits.

Not a firearm I would suggest for new shooters but if you aren't on a budget and can buy quantity have fun
 
Thank you :).

No wonder I couldnt find any information on the thing! Well that saves me an hour trip to go look at the thing. Guess ill pass it onto him that its not an enfield as well lol.
 
Nabs pointed you in the right direction. There are even centre fire conversion kits.

Not a firearm I would suggest for new shooters but if you aren't on a budget and can buy quantity have fun

Conversion kits ? I haven't heard of these before, what do they do convert ?

I held a Swiss Vetterli at a local gun shop and she was a real beauty. Heavy girl and very well made, I can imagine no recoil with that rifle.
 
Conversion kits ? I haven't heard of these before, what do they do convert ?

I held a Swiss Vetterli at a local gun shop and she was a real beauty. Heavy girl and very well made, I can imagine no recoil with that rifle.

Just get's you a center fire version. Might be able to get it shooting with come creativeness.:D

http://www.animal.ufl.edu/youth/horse/documents/reining.pdf

Grizz
 
What would a fair price for one of these be? The one I pictured was being offered at $300.

They seem to go for around that, in good shape, with a good bore.

Keep in mind...unless you are willing to make a fairly big investment in dies, brass, reloading supplies etc etc...they are not a shooter. The original rimfire ammo is long long obsolete.

They are an antique in rimfire, but a normal rifle if converted to centre fire.
 
Ammunition is easy to ake from .348 Winchester brass.

Original rimfire ammo used a 313-grain bullet of .419 diameter over 62 grains of black powder for 1340 ft/sec.

At 300 and under, it had a reputation as a very accurate cartridge/rifle combination. Mag holds enough ammo to keep you shooting all week!

These are an extremely solid rifle, very well-made and tightly fitted. Generally, they need to be taken down completely and cleaned inside and out, as most of them haven't had a cleaning since about 1900.

VERY advanced piece for its time; came out in 1869, believe it or not.
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That price sounds about right. As other members have mentioned, the .41 rimfire ammo has long since been out of the commercial market so these rifles haven't seen much, if any, use since the early 1900s.

I'm already thinking about getting one to convert to center fire in the near future.
 
DEFINITELY worth a place in a collection.

As a design, it was far ahead of its time. In many ways, it pointed the way to the Lebel as well as to the modern Schultz & Larsen sporting rifles, which use a very similar system of rear locking-lugs.

The Italians used their own version of the Vetterli action in a lighter-weight receiver and taking a centre-fire round. It was good enough to serve through WW2; I have one here which was rebuilt (yet again) in 1938. There are still a few Italian Vetterlis working in what used to be AOI (Africa Orientale Italiana: Italian East Africa), although where they are getting their ammo is anybody's guess.

The last batch of ammo for the Swiss Vetterli was made about 1941, just before the US came into War Two. Individual cartridges now run about $8 a pop, which is a bit rich for my blood. Good thing I still have a sealed pack of 10, Swiss surplus from many years ago.

You can shoot a Vetterli with smokeless powder if you are careful and know what you are doing. You can get the original ballistic performance at the original pressures, by substituting SR-4759 for the black-powder charge at 38%-of-Black levels. For the Vetterli, that would be (62 x .38 =) 23.5 grains of SR-4759. I would NOT advise going ANY higher: 4759 is a great old powder but if it is used in hot loads, it can build pressures fast. Thirty-eight-percent of Black is SAFE but it is still the military Service load: definitely warm.

These rifles are built like the proverbial Swiss watch (by the same people, most likely). They are tightly fitted they utterly OOZE quality. With their rapid bolt action and their high-capacity magazine, they were the AK-47 of the 1870s, even though more accurate than any Klack ever built.

Every serious collector owes it to himself to own one of these wonderful old pieces.
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